Is this hum?

Hannes123

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Well, my 500c absorbs a very low and faint hum that is only audible when i place my ear beside my speakers. I never really paid attention to it - is this normal? My 500C was in service for upgrades and runs very smooth. Is this a "problem" or just a "deal with it since it is vintage gear" thing? Just beeing curious :)
 
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the thing is i don´t really know if it was ever dead silence, it was away for 6 months or so and i forgot.
Well, i hope it stays like that since i don´t want to return it again. If it starts increasing, i should investigate i guess :cool:
 
An interesting topic.

I've noticed that on my newly aquired 400 I perceive some Hum from one speaker (ear close to speaker). But, no Hum at all from the other.
Both speakers clear away from any external interference (TV, power sources, cables etc).
Not bothered by this at all. But unaffected speaker is dead silent when not in operation.
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I will try a new outlet today in another room - far away from everything that could absorb noise into the circuit. I also wondered, it this is related to my speakers.
 
I will try a new outlet today in another room - far away from everything that could absorb noise into the circuit. I also wondered, it this is related to my speakers.
I'm certainly no expert in this field (excuse the pun).
But, my assumption is that the 60hz hum is due to AC power sources from your equipment, other surrounding equipment or possibly from unshielded cables.
It's 50hz here in the UK. In either instance, hence the hum being low frequency. This, as I say is an assumption, so I could be wrong.
It tends to be very apparent when re-positioning, for example, your phono pre-amplifier (away from the TT motor).
I'm happy to be corrected on any this.
 
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It tends to be very apparent when re-positioning, for example, your phono pre-amplifier (away from the TT motor).
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Many companies, including Fisher on some units, got it backwards. The power transformer should be on the left side of the unit so that a turntable to the right of the unit will have the cartridge as far as possible from the transformer. If the transformer is on the right, then an adjacent turntable on the same shelf would only have half the distance from the transformer with placement on either side.
 
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i tried to record some of the noise/hum my that my Fisher does (first 5 minutes after powering up). What i also heard was that the phono stage hums louder than then the rest (FM/Aux/Tape In).
The hum on all these chanels is, like i wrote earlier, very very low - almost unaudible and only when there is no music playing - so i asked myself it could be my speaker setup - i have JBL 4311 and the noise comes from the Woofer....Also, this "static" low hum is always there - even if everything like line cables, antenna etc is disconnected
 
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Fired up my Eico HF-81 using AUX input for phono. Last time I used it all was OK. Now, HUUUMMMMMMMMMM!
Thought I'll look at it later and re-plugged in receiver I had previously been using (440-T). HUUUMMMM!
It was going to be one of those days methought.
I had an expensive short RCA cable (I'll not mention the manufacturers name) located between my SUT and Phono preamplifier.
Swapped this for another cable. Hum gone. I knew it wasn't the RCA jacks causing the problem because I'd cleaned them all on setup.
Being extremely fair the cable may have been twisted one too many times maybe?
Fixing this type of problem can be a nightmare. There is so much written about it here on AK. It's difficult to know where to start looking.
But, checking cables and connections is where I start.
Jim
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are we talking about the high pitch squealing sort of noise? Thats not hum. Its also not ground loop. Thats the kind of noise you might get from a cell phone or some other digital device. Also maybe from a slightly microphonic tube. Hum is much lower tone, mains or double mains frequency (50 or 100 for Europe, 60 or 120 for N.A.).
 
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are we talking about the high pitch squealing sort of noise? Thats not hum. Its also not ground loop. Thats the kind of noise you might get from a cell phone or some other digital device. Also maybe from a slightly microphonic tube. Hum is much lower tone, mains or double mains frequency (50 or 100 for Europe, 60 or 120 for N.A.).
Yes, this other noise is not bad at all since it goes away every time - however, the hum is there also when I plug in the headphones :(
 
Contrary to some previous comments, the Fisher 400 and 500C receivers should be absolutely dead quiet with the volume full down and turned to an Aux or Phono setting (this to prevent any bleed though from the high output of the FM tuner section) -- to the point that it would be hard to tell if the receiver is even on by listening to high sensitivity speakers in a dead quiet room with your ear at the speaker board.

If a 400 receiver is producing hum under this condition, then one strong likelihood is that a tech installed (typically) 10Ω cathode current sensing resistors somewhere along the way, but did not account for one of the heater winding balancing resistors that also used an (originally) grounded cathode terminal as a grounding point for that heater winding balancing resistor as well. If the resistor is left connected to the cathode terminal when cathode sensing resistors are installed, then the channel the resistor is installed in will hum -- even with the volume full down. This particular problem does not exist in the 500C, as the heater balancing resistors are installed over in the power supply area in that (as well as the 800C) model.

As for the 500C, you didn't specifically indicate if the problem is in one channel or the other, but implied it is both. We also need to know where the volume control is when you are hearing the hum. Besides that, to help in tracking it down, try to determine if it is 100/120 Hz in nature, or 50/60 Hz (one octave lower). If it is the former, then power supply caps or un-matched output tubes are likely suspects assuming all else is as it should be. If it's the latter, then wiring in the volume control should be inspected -- particularly is the AC power switch has been examined, and the rear cover for the switch is now missing.

As for interconnects -- I'm no fan of expensive boutique interconnects, but I can tell you that inexpensive stereo ones purchased at big box stores like Home Depot are simply junk for use with vintage vacuum tube equipment -- they don't use shielded cable!!! For SS gear that has a very low output impedance, they may work OK, but for high sensitivity use such as for connecting a turn table or connecting two pieces of vacuum tube equipment together, then hum will be a virtually guaranteed result. Anymore then, make sure that the interconnects you're using actually employ shielded cable. They don't need to be boutique pieces, but they do need to be shielded!

Dave
 
Thank you for the detailed and valuable explanation. The problem with the hum is there after the unit powers up. It is not volume depending and it is on both channels. It is also there when only listening on headphone - it is not there, when speakers are not selected. I had the impression ( could be faulty ) that is varies in volume from time to time. I checked also on my cables, it is also there when nothing is connected. Thanks also to @gadget73 for downloading the file. I will try to make a recording via headphone, then it should be very audible. :bye:
 
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