Joy Division Closer 180g

scott911sc

scott911sc

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bought it a few months ago. definitely the best sounding 180 i have bought in a loooong time, with the exception of DSOTM 30th. :music: most everything i have bought new recently has had bad imperfections. this is dead quiet and the snare drum is in your face. love it
 
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i hear a lot of praise about the DSOTM 30th anniversary on this board but mine sounds very digital...almost like a cd....well it actually is a digital remaster if i remember correctly.
 
the only complaint i have about DSOTM is my copy was warped around the edge..doesnt interfere with playing but i have a very light, linear tracking arm and it plays warped records ok... still, there is no excuse for that

i thought it sounds great. compared it to my original Harvest label and a mid 70's repressing and it was about the same, but cleaner and slightly more detailed
 
it could be just my copy but i found in general that any digitally recorded or remastered vinyl just loses the analog magic that i am looking for from vinyl.
 
your copy of what? my copy of Closer, best to my knowledge, was remastered from the original tapes...I believe I have the UK pressing..the white cover. sounds analog to me
 
the keester said:
i hear a lot of praise about the DSOTM 30th anniversary on this board but mine sounds very digital...almost like a cd....well it actually is a digital remaster if i remember correctly.
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I think you are mistaken. The 30th Anniversary DSotM remaster used the original Dolby tapes with no digital in the process. In fact, tube-based EQ was used.

There was no high-end limiting, explaining the detail that you feel sounds "digital." I have a blue triangle original UK pressing. The 30th nails it, especially on the high-end detail.

Ken
 
I have the 180g and the original press, they do sound different. I have heard that all WEA vinyl is mastered from a digital source. Speaking of the JD Closer. my DSOTM sounds great and I got a flat one. This also sounds different than my orig vinyl. The Quad copy sounds really nice, if you ever see one get it.
 
My 180g Closer wasn't clean. About 1/4 of side two has noise in one channel. ARRGH! My original pressing is fine, so I don't know why I even bothered. I think I bought pretty much the whole Joy Division catalog in one day on 180g, studio and live...most are clean except for Closer. The "martin hannett's personal mixes" double album sounds great, but there's not much on it that makes it worth the price.

As for DSOTM...my 30 anniversary is the best sounding LP I own. I have an early Harvest and a later pressing that sound great as well, but the 30th seems to be a bit more dynamic/open sounding.
 
Back to Joy Division I have the new Unknown Pleasures (180 Gram) and this too sounds very nice! I also have Still the collection of their singles.
 
KeninDC said:
I think you are mistaken. The 30th Anniversary DSotM remaster used the original Dolby tapes with no digital in the process. In fact, tube-based EQ was used.

There was no high-end limiting, explaining the detail that you feel sounds "digital." I have a blue triangle original UK pressing. The 30th nails it, especially on the high-end detail.

Ken
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are there two versions of the 30th anniverary DSOTM? mine says 'digitally mastered' on the back.
 
the keester said:
are there two versions of the 30th anniverary DSOTM? mine says 'digitally mastered' on the back.
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Back to the DSotM OT discussion (sorry) -

I don't see any mention of "digital" on my LP. There is the EMI sticker on the back saying "Remaster (c) 2003," but no mention of digital.

There was no mention of any digital in the articles about the LP mastering:

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=11084

That being said, no one has said it is entirely analog. It could be 24/96 digital since that was used for the DSD CD and SACD.

At this point, I'd say it's ambiguous and I'm unsure.
 
I too have the Rhino reissue of Unknown Pleasures, and really like it.

I think I looked at a copy of the Still reissue once; looked to be a fancy heavy-weight package.
 
I only have some crappy early CD pressings of Joy Division, I have been wanting the vinyl for a while but never found a clean enough original and have been scared of being disappointed in the remasters. I did download the FLACs for the remastered "deluxe" CDs and they sound ok, but nothing spectacular. I did recently pick up two 12" singles, Love Will Tear Us Apart, and She's Lost Control. Both are absolutely fabulous, 45 RPM loud pressings. I will record these to 24/96 FLAC when I get my M-Audio card.
 
The CD compilation "Substance" is not bad. Extra reverb on a few tunes (why?).

BTW - the movie "Control" should be required viewing for any Joy Division fan. "24 Hour Party People" also provides a short look at the band and is a super funny flick.
 
Ken, I have been meaning to see that. My wife and I saw the documentary that came out around the same time and thought it was fabulous. I like how they went into the background and meanings of the songs like She's Lost Control being about a girl with epilepsy that Ian helped during his job as a social worker. I will put both movies you listed on my list of things to get.

I can't help but think Joy Division is one of the most important bands in the post-Beatles era. I think them and Kraftwerk are the top two most influential bands for modern musicians. I would also add Sex Pistols and a few other punk bands to that list.

I have substance as well as some greatest hits that came out in the 90's (terrible compressed copy with a bad yellow and green cover...my wife is the only one who listens to it for convenience). I think I will continue my search for an orig UK Factory pressing that is in primo shape, even though these 180g sound nice. I see great orig copies of Still all the time but they are upwards of $50 which is too rich for my blood.
 
Before your post, Ken, I'd never put it together that both Joy Division and New Order have comps titled _Substance_. Weird.

I have reissues of _Unknown Pleasures_ and _Closer_, and an original Factory _Still_ (cover's a little faded). It was _UP_ that brought me to vinyl in the first place--it's the record that I play as a reference whenever I make a change in my system. For me, there's nothing like the opening bars of "Disorder." Nothing.
 
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