JVC RS 77 Receiver LED's repair question

GD70

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Hi,

The signal strength & Locked LED's haven't worked for roughly 10+ years now.

I'm the original owner (1980) and it's' in like new condition other wise.

All other LED's work fine.

How would I fix this, and how difficult is it to do? Could it just be a dust build up issue? Also, will it be difficult to get the correct LED's for this unit if they need to be replaced?

Thanks in advance for any guidance, directions, or pics of the opened up unit showing how I get to the LED's.

Here's a pic in case this will help.

Glenn :beerchug:
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While LEDs can go bad, having them all be out like that directs me to thinking the driver circuit has failed. It is likely to be an IC. You have to be able to perform board level repair. If it is an IC, start by looking up its part number and finding a data sheet. From the data sheet, you can find the Vcc pin and see if it is even getting power and so on.
 
Great receiver. How I wanted that same model back in college (loved those early digital-tuning JVC receivers!), but I ended up getting the RS33. Still have one, looks like new.

From the nothing to lose department: I'd start by cleaning the function switches with a good quality contact cleaner.
 
LEDs seldom burn out unless abused. They only grow dimmer over time. It's probably not dust. Dust would be more likely to cause noise in the controls or overheating.

I'd look into any of the following:

1. Bad solder joints
2. Loose connection to the circuit board containing the LEDs
3. Bad LED driver
4. Underrated or just plain open current limiting resistor (in series with LEDs)
5. Missing power supply voltage (though this should affect other things)

Given that I'm something of a display nut...does the + symbol that is part of the leading "1" or the last "8" in your receiver's display ever illuminate?

That's a very nice looking receiver, BTW.
 
LEDs seldom burn out unless abused. They only grow dimmer over time. It's probably not dust. Dust would be more likely to cause noise in the controls or overheating.

I'd look into any of the following:

1. Bad solder joints
2. Loose connection to the circuit board containing the LEDs
3. Bad LED driver
4. Underrated or just plain open current limiting resistor (in series with LEDs)
5. Missing power supply voltage (though this should affect other things)

Given that I'm something of a display nut...does the + symbol that is part of the leading "1" or the last "8" in your receiver's display ever illuminate?

That's a very nice looking receiver, BTW.

Hi uxwbill,

Thanks for the complement! I've always loved this receiver, both it's looks & performance.

No, the + & 8 don't illuminate that I ever noticed.

Re; the LEDs. As I recall, they started to work less & less until they just didn't come on any more. It was never abused physically, though it certainly was pushed hard at many parties.
Would solder joints just go bad over time?
Power supply I think is fine as everything else works perfectly.

I guess I'll have to open it up and hopefully can see something obvious.
I've seen a few pics of the unit open and the tuner section is in a metal box screwed to the unit.
I'm no electrician and have never worked on something like this, so I'm a bit nervous taking it apart.

Thanks for your reply and suggestions.

Glenn
 
Great receiver. How I wanted that same model back in college (loved those early digital-tuning JVC receivers!), but I ended up getting the RS33. Still have one, looks like new.

From the nothing to lose department: I'd start by cleaning the function switches with a good quality contact cleaner.

The RS 33 is a very nice unit.

You think this would cause the LED's to stop illuminating?

Glenn
 
You think this would cause the LED's to stop illuminating?

Not necessarily. But on some (many?) receivers, the signal strength meters are switched through the function switch. That way, the meter won't display a reading when in a function other than AM or FM. I'll cite the Pioneer SX-650 by way of example (which has a rotary function switch). That may or may not be the case with this JVC model, which does NOT have a rotary function switch. Whatever the case, it can't hurt to try it.
 
No, the + & 8 don't illuminate that I ever noticed.
I didn't expect that they would. I don't know what the + would do (perhaps it was a never-realized function to enable tuning to either side of a frequency). The tailing "8" would be used in models that tune in 50kHz steps on the FM band.

Yes, I'm a display nut. I like looking at the characters inside them. :)

Re; the LEDs. As I recall, they started to work less & less until they just didn't come on any more.
LEDs dim as they age, so that's not unusual to hear. It usually takes them a long, long time to go completely dark, if they ever do. However, a lot depends upon how much current they are driven with. LEDs driven "hard" (to make them brighter) will have shorter lifetimes.

That not all of the signal strength LEDs would often be illuminated at once makes complete failure a very unlikely situation. While each LED will have a quoted lifetime estimate, there are also variations in the lifetime of each LED. I think you will find a problem in the LED driving circuitry or its power supply.

Would solder joints just go bad over time?
Properly made ones typically won't. The most common sign of bad solder joints is a circuit that starts working when whacked, prodded, flexed or shifted, causing the bad joints to suddenly make contact.

Power supply I think is fine as everything else works perfectly.
Your receiver's power supply will have numerous outputs...high voltage/current outputs for the amplifier and lower voltage outputs to run the logic, indicator lights and "other stuff". I would expect the tuner to not actually work if a power supply voltage were missing/insufficient, but I don't know how JVC designed the circuit.

Here's how I'd go about it.

There are some good repair threads here on AK, including this one. Note that you do not to break the bank on all manner of test equipment. Many things can be fixed with a multimeter and some logical thinking. You may also want to visit the sci.electronics.repair FAQ web site for some ideas on getting started with electronics repair.

1. Get a service manual for your receiver. Someone here may have one, or you could buy one. I've used StereoManuals.com for reproduction (or in some cases, original) manuals in the past. I have no affiliation with them other than as a satisifed customer.

Having the service manual is a good start, especially if you don't have a lot of experience tracing circuits and figuring out what is what. You'll see how electricity is directed through the circuitry. With a little studying to know what the various parts do, you'll have a better understanding of how JVC designed your receiver and what it should be doing when working correctly.

2. If you don't have a decent multimeter, you might want to pick one up. There are many good choices on the market. It doesn't have to be expensive, just reasonably accurate and equipped with certain testing ranges.

3. Making the actual tests will involve setting up the receiver so you can get at the LED board. You would then take DC voltage readings from the pins of each LED on the board while the receiver is powered and set to a function where the LEDs should be on (in this case, with a station tuned in).

How you will want to do this will vary depending upon how the receiver is built and your workspace. The most important thing is your safety. The receiver should be arranged such that it can't fall, and you should take the most care not to touch anything that might be directly connected to the AC power line, such as the terminals where the power cord connects, the power switch, fuse/fuse holder, etc.).

If you don't feel comfortable doing this, you certainly do not have to do so. Practicing first on another less valuable or important set would also be a good idea. That way, if something goes wrong, you won't feel quite so bad about it.
 
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I didn't expect that they would. I don't know what the + would do (perhaps it was a never-realized function to enable tuning to either side of a frequency). The tailing "8" would be used in models that tune in 50kHz steps on the FM band.

Yes, I'm a display nut. I like looking at the characters inside them. :)


LEDs dim as they age, so that's not unusual to hear. It usually takes them a long, long time to go completely dark, if they ever do. However, a lot depends upon how much current they are driven with. LEDs driven "hard" (to make them brighter) will have shorter lifetimes.

That not all of the signal strength LEDs would often be illuminated at once makes complete failure a very unlikely situation. While each LED will have a quoted lifetime estimate, there are also variations in the lifetime of each LED. I think you will find a problem in the LED driving circuitry or its power supply.


Properly made ones typically won't. The most common sign of bad solder joints is a circuit that starts working when whacked, prodded, flexed or shifted, causing the bad joints to suddenly make contact.


Your receiver's power supply will have numerous outputs...high voltage/current outputs for the amplifier and lower voltage outputs to run the logic, indicator lights and "other stuff". I would expect the tuner to not actually work if a power supply voltage were missing/insufficient, but I don't know how JVC designed the circuit.

Here's how I'd go about it.

There are some good repair threads here on AK, including this one. Note that you do not to break the bank on all manner of test equipment. Many things can be fixed with a multimeter and some logical thinking. You may also want to visit the sci.electronics.repair FAQ web site for some ideas on getting started with electronics repair.

1. Get a service manual for your receiver. Someone here may have one, or you could buy one. I've used StereoManuals.com for reproduction (or in some cases, original) manuals in the past. I have no affiliation with them other than as a satisifed customer.

Having the service manual is a good start, especially if you don't have a lot of experience tracing circuits and figuring out what is what. You'll see how electricity is directed through the circuitry. With a little studying to know what the various parts do, you'll have a better understanding of how JVC designed your receiver and what it should be doing when working correctly.

2. If you don't have a decent multimeter, you might want to pick one up. There are many good choices on the market. It doesn't have to be expensive, just reasonably accurate and equipped with certain testing ranges.

3. Making the actual tests will involve setting up the receiver so you can get at the LED board. You would then take DC voltage readings from the pins of each LED on the board while the receiver is powered and set to a function where the LEDs should be on (in this case, with a station tuned in).

How you will want to do this will vary depending upon how the receiver is built and your workspace. The most important thing is your safety. The receiver should be arranged such that it can't fall, and you should take the most care not to touch anything that might be directly connected to the AC power line, such as the terminals where the power cord connects, the power switch, fuse/fuse holder, etc.).

If you don't feel comfortable doing this, you certainly do not have to do so. Practicing first on another less valuable or important set would also be a good idea. That way, if something goes wrong, you won't feel quite so bad about it.

uxwbill,

I really appreciate all this information. I bit over whelming but I will give it a try, open it up and see if I can get the LED's to light again.

My gut tells me they are not burned out as the others work. I hope this doesn't mean there's some kind of board problem. Then I'm at a total loss and would most likely bring it to a shop.

I did find a few pics online showing the guts of my receiver, but not disassembled, with the tuner box removed.

Glenn
 
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