Listening Volume

04blackmaxx

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Hey guys - I don't know about you, but nothing puts a smile on my face more than to feel like the guy in the Maxell commercial with my MAC pumping 300 watts into my speakers...but the fatigue sets in pretty early. I do get the power guard to come on sometimes even though the dealer made it sound like id never even come close to using all the wattage of the MC302. It seems the realism and resolution is that much more impressive and the fine details are even finer, when the amp is giving the speakers all its got. I guess its kinda like going for a max bench press when working out. What good is watts and speakers if you stay in the safe zone all the time? The separation of the instruments, cymbal crashes and drums and flexing what your system can really do are best illustrated at high volumes I feel...what do you guys think? How often do you push it?
 
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i'm using an emotiva upa 200 driving kef 104/2 and and a kenwood m70 [cause it has level control] driving paradigm 11se
using a marantz as a pre

i cant approach clipping levels
but i luv loud when no ones home
 
I am with you and push it a lot.Low level is fun sometimes but moderation is required.Cheers
 
I do get the power guard to come on sometimes even though the dealer made it sound like id never even come close to using all the wattage of the MC302.

Knowing your having troubles with feedback using your turn table, I assume this is digital your playing. In witch case you will have more volume using the turntable and not have the power guards kicking in.
 
Knowing your having troubles with feedback using your turn table, I assume this is digital your playing. In witch case you will have more volume using the turntable and not have the power guards kicking in.
Hey - No, the problem is now gone as I have the TT sitting on a new platform with sorbothane feet which has completely eliminated the feedback! I can go as loud as I want with a CD or record. :)
 
Hey - No, the problem is now gone as I have the TT sitting on a new platform with sorbothane feet which has completely eliminated the feedback! I can go as loud as I want with a CD or record. :)
I'm glad you got that settled...
Well test what I'm saying, due to the EQing of a Digital title will trip the PG sooner than the same title on a record. A record could play clean without tripping the PG and you will hear the distortion from the speakers fist, making you turn it down.
 
...what do you guys think? How often do you push it?

I sold my house and switched to apartment living several years ago. My landlord's rule of thumb was that if you have to raise your voice to carry on a conversation when playing the television or stereo, then you've got it too loud. Listening at a low volume level can still be highly satisfying, and I'm actually playing more records than ever these past few years (wearing out a stylus about every nine months instead of the 12 months that had always been typical for me).
 
300w's showing on your meter's? What kind of spl's in that room? I play loud music but damn. Not as loud as when I was much younger I'm afraid.
 
i'm using an emotiva upa 200 driving kef 104/2 and and a kenwood m70 [cause it has level control] driving paradigm 11se
using a marantz as a pre

i cant approach clipping levels
but i luv loud when no ones home

Nice! I'm driving KEF 107's with a UPA-200 as well. I know my 107's could handle more but the room is small and reflective...I can't give them anywhere near what the UPA-200 has anyway.
 
I tend to listen at only 75 db PEAK in most cases...but most of my listening is done while at work and on Quad 57's in a small office...no need for high dB's. Every now and then I'll crank the KEF 107's but usually nothing crazy...I haven't measured in awhile but maybe 90-95 dB peaks. My room is so darn reflective and small it gets fatiguing in a hurry at really loud volumes...and my gear is generally NOT fatiguing (the KEF's are not and I've got a tube preamp to soften the SS amp a bit). Some day hope to have that dedicated listening room where I can really crank them if I want to.
 
I imagine what you are experiencing are limitations of your loudspeakers. Most folks now days buy speakers that are to sterile with over accented high ends above 7,000 hz. Throw in compromised source material and you have a sure prescription for headaches , tight neck muscles, and other maladies. I designed and installed and maintained large discos, and entertainment systems for over 30 years in the US and old Mexico. I never had an issue with any Mac amp with Power Guard from the mighty 2600 down to the lowly 502 for monitor speakers. Even 2300's throttled with Urei peak limiters never caused fatigue. The only time we ever had fatigue issues was with Klipsch La Scala tops and JBL ring radiators. Altec, Ev, Gauss, Emilar and JBL were speakers of choice. Getting the system voiced properly guaranteed long listing with freedom from fatigue . Only consumers who bought Klipsch, professional based Altec and JBL for home were guaranteed concert levels in the home with out fatigue. Brands we didn't sell, such as Tannoy were capable, too. Today brands such as Magico and B&W guarantee they can produce Concert levels with less than 2 % distortion.. But remember a speaker that can reproduce 120 db in the home may only produce 108 to 110 db at the listing position which is only 4 db above classical concert level and does not come close to Rock and some CW concert Levels. So do a lot of research before buying your next speaker system. Remember even speaker systems from Klipsch and JBL DD series compress the signal 3 to 4 db at maximum power handling levels.

Fortunately for the industry and are hearing we listen at lower levels most of the time, our surveys proved that. And I bet our systems are more than adequate at those listening levels. But if you like your power guard lights to flash look for efficent speakers that can reproduce those levels with that power.

A story: I went to an Altec seminar in Phoenix in the late 70's. Altec was introducing their Mantaray horns. Stanel Sound provided an entrainment system for the central hall meetings. He brought a 4 channels mixed down tape, 1/2 inch 30 ips. of a Neil diamond concert. The system was three channels up front with subwoofers and a rear surround channel. With out any limiting the system was putting out over 120 db at 75 ft. measured with a Bruel and Kjaer Precision Sound level meter in the continuous mode and C weighting. each front channel had 4 604 HPLN mounted in bass enclosures with a 311 horn with a 291 as a 3 way system . The sub woofers were 8 816 enclosures with gauss woofers facing into each corner of the room, The 2 rear channels groups were slimmed down front channels, and I think there was some thing like 8 to 10000 watts. I tried to replicate the sound using 4 Klipschhorms in a sound room that was 24 X20 at the shop using a 2205 as an amp. Not even close with with the Power Guard lamps flashing. And a stacked pairs of 4 ML=4's driven by 2 2300's weren't even close being 16 db less efficient. Even with 3 to .4 times the power per speaker. I don't care how much power you have there is no way a home system can approach a professional concert sound system levels. Today with Line array concert speakers and mighty subwoofers the the difference is even larger.
 
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... What good is watts and speakers if you stay in the safe zone all the time? The separation of the instruments, cymbal crashes and drums and flexing what your system can really do are best illustrated at high volumes I feel...what do you guys think? How often do you push it?
When you inevitably begin to ask people to repeat themselves during conversations, become aware of sounds that were perceivable that no longer are so, have people asking you to turn down the TV/device, and potentially finding portions of your own voice disappearing, you'll have the answer to your question. And I didn't even mention tinnitus.
 
We have a mechanical limiting system as part of are hearing system to protect our ears. When working properly only the feel of bass is significantly increased as we turn up the volume on our hifi to a point. This protection can be defeated by partaking of adult beverages, other stimulates or just going over board for to long of time. I do appreciate a good wine, or an occessional adult beverage. But when working with or surveying loud entertainment systems I never drank, I contribute that fact to my ability to still maintain my high frequency sensitivity. The very minor occasional ringing in my ears at `6250 hz can be corrected by visiting a Chiropractor. I guess I was lucky. My dad loved to shoot large boar rifles, hand guns and shot guns. He never had hearing issues either. But he did use hearing protection.
 
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