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Man Sentenced for Setting His Dog on Fire

There IS a direct link between people who torture animals and people how harm other people. Sadism isn't just limited to enjoying inflicting pain on just one species.
 
Wigwam Jones said:
God, save me from ever seeing anything like that happen in front of me. I doubt I'd be able to control myself.
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There is no doubt in my mind that I could not control myself! :no:

By the time I'd finish with him, he'd wish he got the same fate as the dog did! :gigglemad

Scott
 
jfine said:
Hey I eat meat too, and have pets also. Give up Prime Rib? I just tend to look at all the angles, especially when the court system hammers down hypocrisy-like sentences?
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Two behaviours are distinct here:

1. Killing animals to eat.
2. Trying to kill an animal for who knows what F'd up reason by burning.

I really fail to see the hypocresy of sentencing him for animal torture.....If they found that someone was burning cows to death to eat, they would most likely sentence that guy with the same.


How many angles are there anyway?
 
similost said:
I think you all know me well enough from around here to know I agree this guy is sick, and should be punished to the fullest extent... A person that does these kinds of things either has mental issues, or never learned to conform to society's rules or acceptance...

But I have to ask this, because every time I see a discussion like this it actually pains me even worse...

Yes, the man tortured an animal and caused it great pain and suffering... and yes, If I saw it, it would do something to stop the guy. I would have the right to detain him, but would it give me the right to be his judge and executioner too, even if I saw him commit the crime? NO... I have no right to beat the man, or dip him in oil, or what ever else... Because our society as a whole says that is unacceptable and we must follow the law...

SO.. that being said, the people that say they would cause great harm or pain to this person for his crime, or actually no better than him, because they are willing to break the laws and the rules of society just as this man has...

Now if laws and rules were different, then yes, I'd be right there with my own sticks.. but as reality and laws are now, I would be no better than him....
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I see your point, but what about your own morals and values, and right and wrong...are they that set in stone as to what the law says? I mean, thats the issue with some laws, hard to be robotically followed..
 
Terrible. Just terrible. I couldn't bring myself to click on the link. Being a loving dog owner myself, it's just something I don't want to see.

And I agree with Fotno. This person cared so little for animal life that he burned a dog alive. What else is he capable of doing?
 
hakaplan said:
No, Jeff. It's much worse. It's gratuitous torture and killing vs. slaughter for food. The difference is the suffering of the animal. In fact, one of the conditions for meat to be kosher is that the animal is specifically killed in such a way as to cause no pain or as little pain as possible.
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Howard, I totally agree. It's not even close to the same. Anyone that would commit an act of violence like that against their dog is capable of doing anything to anyone.
 
What does it say about the loyalty of a dog that it continued to follow him after he set it on fire. Certainly a lot better than it says about him.
 
WhiteSE said:
I see your point, but what about your own morals and values, and right and wrong...are they that set in stone as to what the law says? I mean, thats the issue with some laws, hard to be robotically followed..
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I know exactly what you are saying.. and no, I don't fit perfectly into society's moral fiber, but then again I don't go off the deep end perfusing to commit equally violent and as "sick" of crimes against a person which has done these same "sick" crimes....

I can understand an eye for an eye, but to me, uttering these things which are not acceptable does not make it acceptable just because someone else has done it...

Yes, the man burnt the dog. Yes, some would justify doing the same to the man. They would both end up in prison, and many may find the person that set another person on fire, much more demented, even though an eye for an eye was being practiced...

So do we bend the moral standards, because one person has committed an atrocity, or do we stay within the bounds because that's what is acceptable? Until something changes drastically, I chose to stay within the bounds.. However, I am a person that wishes things could be a lot different. Conformity sucks, but it also keeps me legal.. just not always sane..
 
What does it say about the loyalty of a dog that it continued to follow him after he set it on fire.
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This is what tore the heart out of me. The dog followed him down the street to the liquor store, apparently still on fire. I am sure she was in extreme pain, but she did not understand that her master had done this to her. She wanted him to fix her, to make the pain go away, to protect her...my God.

I know that dogs are not people. A person may take their pet to the vet for any reason and say 'Put her down' and none may say them nay. A dog's life is not equivalent to a person's life. I get that.

However, we, as a species, have bred dogs for centuries, perhaps millennia, to be our companions. We have changed them through selective breeding. They are no longer feral creatures such as the wolves they came from, they are domestic and they now need us as much as we wish to have them in our lives. They have accepted us into their packs, and they automatically see their owner as their pack leader, and they do their best to please their pack leader. They trust us and they depend upon us, because we made them that way.

To break that bond of trust is sickening to me. I am glad that poor creature is out of her pain, she did not deserve what was done to her. I hope this man gets what he deserves, and I leave that judgment to His mercy.

But yes, in my heart, I hope there is a special place in Hell for those who abuse and kill innocent pets.
 
I think we, as a society, NEED to be more responsible about dealing with people like this. As a couple people have already said, animal abuse often leads up to people abuse, as the sickness progresses. Quite often, doctors (psychologists) & law enforcement officials, and obviously family members of these people, are aware of the person's cruelty, but don't do enough to deal with it. They're NOT going to get better, they'll get much worse, and letting them run free in the world is like giving them permission to start killing people. :nono:
 
Wigwam Jones said:
I hope this man gets what he deserves, and I leave that judgment to His mercy.

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He will be going to prison. They will have read the news there and even criminals don't like guys like that. Either he will spend his time in solitary or he will get what he has coming.
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Switchblade said:
The story said the dog had to be euthanized because it was so badly burned. That piece of human garbage only got 22 months. He should be boiled in oil. Let him see how it feels. :gigglemad:bash::twak::whip:
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That's terrible news.



folks- please understand my quote... "I grill my steak after it's dead, not while it's still alive. Very sad story. I can't click the link, but I do hope that dog will heal."

This was in rebuttal to a comment made by about killing for food being similar to animal torture and killing for pleasure/sadistic reasons.

It wasn't meant as a joke or to make light of the situation- far from it. It was made to state the difference between prolonged pain/torture for no benefit, and the (always hopefully) quick actions of nature to put food on the table.

I'm aghast at this story and this type of behavior bothers and saddens me greatly.

I just want to be sure you know where I stand.
 
rickr15 said:
Wigwam Jones said:
I hope this man gets what he deserves, and I leave that judgment to His mercy.

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He will be going to prison. They will have read the news there and even criminals don't like guys like that. Either he will spend his time in solitary or he will get what he has coming.
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Exactly! It appears that the Judge just punched his ticket to hell. I hope that he has a very rough ride until he reaches his destination.
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Wigwam Jones said:
This is what tore the heart out of me. The dog followed him down the street to the liquor store, apparently still on fire. I am sure she was in extreme pain, but she did not understand that her master had done this to her. She wanted him to fix her, to make the pain go away, to protect her...my God.
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Right there with ya Wiggy... I just have this picture in my mind of the dog following him down the street... :tears:

Scott
 
And after.............

And after the feelgood dog lovers thread I just started.:tears:

My Chi is definitely f**ked now.:tears:

And that dog loved him, followed him around, and he.................

Brother Dave:smoke:
 
The inhumane treatment of animals, especially pets, is so sad and tragic. Our pets love us unconditionally as his dog did for him till the end. I will never understand. I did not click on the link. It is hard to even think about it.
 
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