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MurrayLives
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Completely different animals. What exactly are you looking for in an amp?
I have no Idea I've been offered the stingray at a great price that I could compair the two and keep what I like.
The issue with the moth is its supper modified that the designer Craig said WOW i never seen a 45 like that. Its hard to compare the two online.
not knowing what I;'m looking at
So this is 'no risk' for you. Compare them, and keep the one you like?
I guess, when It comes down to it, your ears will tell you what to do.
I guess, when It comes down to it, your ears will tell you what to do.
MurrayLives
Born to lose, live to win
The Manley’s an integrated amp, but should sound pretty good... Manley does a really good job with their transformers, which is the most important thing in a tube amp.
The 45’s are moboblocks, aren’t they?
The 45’s are moboblocks, aren’t they?
MurrayLives
Born to lose, live to win
A lot of my system is Manley, the reputation is well earned.
mhardy6647
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So -- the Stingray is a cool amplifier that uses a quad of intrinsically good-sounding little power tubes (EL84s) in push-pull parallel to get "high" power (ca. 30 watts, maybe more depending on the operating points). It wasn't a new trick (e.g., the EICO HF-32 mono integrated amplifier was PPP EL84; Sherwood made a PPP EL84 or 7189 mono integrated, too) -- but it does put a lot of stuff (relatively speaking) between the signal and the loudspeakers. The SE 45 amp -- simply put -- doesn't.
The Stingray, of course, is indubitably more powerful, but it may (?!?!?!) lack the immediacy of the SE direct-heated triode amplifier.
Will you hear a difference? Probably. Which will you prefer? That's gonna depend strictly on your ears, your listening space, and your taste in music.
FWIW, I prefer SE DHT amplification and that's what I use here with Altecs (SE 2A3) -- but my ears and brain ain't yours.
Oh, one other thing, SE 45 ought to sound superb on Valencias -- but they're certainly on the low end power-wise; that could be a factor (depending, again, on your space, the kind of music you like, and your typical listening levels).
HTH, as they say.
The Stingray, of course, is indubitably more powerful, but it may (?!?!?!) lack the immediacy of the SE direct-heated triode amplifier.
Will you hear a difference? Probably. Which will you prefer? That's gonna depend strictly on your ears, your listening space, and your taste in music.
FWIW, I prefer SE DHT amplification and that's what I use here with Altecs (SE 2A3) -- but my ears and brain ain't yours.
Oh, one other thing, SE 45 ought to sound superb on Valencias -- but they're certainly on the low end power-wise; that could be a factor (depending, again, on your space, the kind of music you like, and your typical listening levels).
HTH, as they say.
sheltie dave
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Do you love how the Moth sounds on the Valencias? If you do, the Stingray is not going to sound better. If you need more power, the Stingray will give you 15 solid watts, the Moth about 1.5 watts.
I would not rush into that trade, but it is your decision.
I know at least five people who aged out into SET amps because they got tired of beating their ears to death and wanted something they could relax and enjoy.
I would not rush into that trade, but it is your decision.
I know at least five people who aged out into SET amps because they got tired of beating their ears to death and wanted something they could relax and enjoy.
the 45 in not mono but they did have a headphone one, see video
So far the 45 is killing it!
now this is the kind of stuff I wanted to learn.So -- the Stingray is a cool amplifier that uses a quad of intrinsically good-sounding little power tubes (EL84s) in push-pull parallel to get "high" power (ca. 30 watts, maybe more depending on the operating points). It wasn't a new trick (e.g., the EICO HF-32 mono integrated amplifier was PPP EL84; Sherwood made a PPP EL84 or 7189 mono integrated, too) -- but it does put a lot of stuff (relatively speaking) between the signal and the loudspeakers. The SE 45 amp -- simply put -- doesn't.
The Stingray, of course, is indubitably more powerful, but it may (?!?!?!) lack the immediacy of the SE direct-heated triode amplifier.
Will you hear a difference? Probably. Which will you prefer? That's gonna depend strictly on your ears, your listening space, and your taste in music.
FWIW, I prefer SE DHT amplification and that's what I use here with Altecs (SE 2A3) -- but my ears and brain ain't yours.
Oh, one other thing, SE 45 ought to sound superb on Valencias -- but they're certainly on the low end power-wise; that could be a factor (depending, again, on your space, the kind of music you like, and your typical listening levels).
HTH, as they say.
battradio
Electron trainer
Listen to both carefully , and decide what you like the most listen to music you a very familiar with . Horns and Directly heated cathode tube like in the Moth 45 usually sound the best .
I have been using 6BQ5 amps the last 4 month after not having my system working for a year , and just put my 6B4g ( A 6 volt 2A3)amp back end and wondered why i was depriving myself .
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I have been using 6BQ5 amps the last 4 month after not having my system working for a year , and just put my 6B4g ( A 6 volt 2A3)amp back end and wondered why i was depriving myself .
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mhardy6647
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well -- if you've had the chance to listen to both amplifiers (which it sounds like you have), you've learned it the best possible way -- empirically, with your own ears!
I'd get both if you can swing it, neither can do what the other can, it'll be nice to have both available..
MurrayLives
Born to lose, live to win
If I were to get one, it'd get the Manley for flexibilities sake. I believe that power matters, and you can't meet all musical needs with a couple watts.
Ok it helps the vid for sound quality if you mic is at the seating position. A kind critique, I'm not feeling air and space in your vid and nothing in the low frequencies.You have lots of nice gear but I think you maybe need to slow down the buying and work more at setting it up and the room better. The wall your on probably only will fit one pair of speakers to space them wider apart and get better imaging.
While my system is quite different than yours have a listen, it's also a fairly small room.
Tubes > VAC Vintage High Power Mk II Monophonic Power Amplifier, the ones on the floor 100 watt mono blocks.
Speakers> Monitor Audio MA3 Mk II, laying on their sided.
Sumiko Blackbird cartridge HO, Staged though a SOTA Phono Head Amp and then to the McIntosh Phono stage.
There is no sub in the system in these vids...
Since you like a little funky jazz sound, sorry this one doesn't show the amps or speakers much.
Same gear, short clip of Nat
Full song Sarah Mclachlan possession piano version
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sheltie dave
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The musical needs you can’t meet with the Moth, you also can’t meet with the Stingray.
That is where your Krell and Ampzilla come into play. These can give you all the slam you need, while the Moth will give you the heaven of finesse. And this Moth gives you the plus ultra of finesse, as envisioned by a very idiosyncratic and motivated expert.
That is where your Krell and Ampzilla come into play. These can give you all the slam you need, while the Moth will give you the heaven of finesse. And this Moth gives you the plus ultra of finesse, as envisioned by a very idiosyncratic and motivated expert.
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