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Table Top Tube Radio? I am listening to my first tube item ever, a table top Zenith mono radio, and as always I find myself simply LOVING the tone and simple pleasure of it all....the clarity, especially when the NPR classical DJ's speak is awesome...

Now I put my Telefunken Opus in the LR and put in mono and its a lot nicer than in stereo...I think Stereo is a waste when the speakers are so close togather like in a table radio....
 
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Table Top Tube Radio? I am listening to my first tube item ever, a table top Zenith mono radio, and as always I find myself simply LOVING the tone and simple pleasure of it all....the clarity, especially when the NPR classical DJ's speak is awesome...

Now I put my Telefunken Opus in the LR and put in mono and its a lot nicer than in stereo...I think Stereo is a waste when the speakers are so close togather like in a table radio....

Zenith made quite a few mono FM radios between 1940 and 1982. Which one do you have? I'd guess the C845, as this radio was one of Zenith's best monophonic table radios. First introduced in 1960, the C845 has eight tubes and two speakers, an 8" main driver and a 5" tweeter, driven by a 35C5 output tube, so yes, your set will sound every bit as good as you say it does. My own C845 sounds excellent, better than almost every other FM radio in my collection except perhaps for my Zenith MJ1035, which is set up for stereo FM, or my Aiwa bookshelf system which has three-way speakers (woofer, tweeter and powered subwoofer).

Your comments regarding stereo being "a waste" when the speakers are only a foot or less apart from each other are right on the mark. I have a so-called "stereo" clock radio by Zenith that is only perhaps a foot long, +/- an inch or two, with small speakers at either end of the cabinet; the only way I can get really good stereo sound from it is by using headphones, as the cabinet is much too small [!] for anything close to decent stereo separation. The irony of it is that the radio sold for close to $150 or so when it was new, over 25 years ago; for that price I'd have expected better stereo performance than what I got from it through its tiny speakers.

The foregoing applies not only to today's small imported stereo systems, particularly headphone stereos, but also "MTS stereo" equipped stereo televisions, as the latter are almost always equipped with small speakers not much better than the puny drivers in transistor radios; in the table models they are only a few inches to a foot or so apart. The stereo effect is probably very difficult to realize with the speakers so close together; however, unfortunately, the only stereo TVs that can even approach proper stereo separation are sets in large console cabinets and the large stereo AM/FM/phono consoles that were in cabinets six or seven feet long. These sets are capable of amazing sound fidelity (as good as the state of the art allowed at the time they were made), but the drawback is you need a living room/family room/den the size of the state of Texas to put them in, because they are so big.

BTW, I wish there were some way I could switch my Zenith MJ1035 into mono mode; as it is, the radio has no provisions for manual stereo/mono switching. The only way this receiver will operate in monophonic is if a mono FM station is tuned in. Most if not all FM stations in my area, 35 miles east of Cleveland, and probably across the U.S. as well, transmit in full stereo these days. I am not aware of any mono FM stations here or anywhere near here; even the college/NPR stations (even the translator for an NPR outlet 60 miles from me) are stereo, as is a small big-band/standards station operated by a school district in the next county south of here. I'm convinced that mono FM is pretty much a dead duck these days, except maybe for stations in very small one-horse towns.
 
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Ha! I know how you can listen to your MJ in mono Jeff...just click it over it AM!

:music:

Seriously, I use two mono-cabinet MJs and it's amusing to listen to them on stereo FM; especially on a strong signal. You hear parts of the song you've never heard before. I kinda' like it.

The MJ provides a wonderful listening experience, as do all of the Zenith tubie table radios. I love having FM available, but that band is deteriorating here in Phoenix, forcing me to listen to more AM (one good music station...but its a sundowner...:no:) and internet music. I was even forced to go out and buy a decent set of bookshelf speakers for my computer table. The shame...

This is good 24/7 online stuff, for those of you into doowoop oldies:

http://loudcity.com/stations/the-doo-wop-express/tune_in

'Gotta figure a way to hook my C845 up top the 'puter. I'd feel better.
 
Jack, grand ain't it?:thmbsp:

Jeff, there's a Zenith like your avvie on the bay for almost nothin' should I go for it?

Nolan, are you near the town of Strawberry?

Craig
 
Jeff, there's a Zenith like your avvie on the bay for almost nothin' should I go for it? Craig

It depends on its condition, electronically and cosmetically. If it works well (according to the item description) and looks good, then I would say yes, by all means--bid on it. The MJ1035 and its variants (MJ1035-1 and MJ1035-W1) were excellent radios in their day and still are today, 40+ years after its introduction by Zenith in the early 1960s. I have one and enjoy it quite a bit. I think if you bid on the one on eBay and win it, you will be very pleased; this set has a 7" main speaker and a 5" tweeter, both in the radio cabinet itself and in the extension speaker cabinet, driven by two 50EH5 output tubes (one per channel) and a 12AX7 preamplifier stage, so the audio chain is very similar to a modest hi-fi setup.

Good luck.
 
my radio is like this one...

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Sometimes simpler is better. Bet it sounds nice.
 
Zenith C-845

Your radio is a Zenith C-845, chassis 8C01 or 8C02, which was one of Zenith's best table radios for 1960. Eight tubes, two speakers, with excellent sound, not to mention sensitive as anything. This set has a 6BJ6 RF amplifier stage that works for both AM and FM with two IF stages on both bands, which adds up to a radio that will receive almost anything out there--even using its built-in FM antenna and internal Wavemagnet AM antenna. Reception using a good outdoor antenna (or even an external dipole such as is available at Radio Shack) will be even better, and may well result in your FM dial being packed with stations from one end to the other. My own C845 regularly gets stations from 80-90 miles away on AM (more stations from greater distances at night thanks to skywave propagation conditions), and when the FM band opens up in the summer I can hear stations from southwestern Ontario, Canada, Detroit, Toledo, Ohio, and Erie, Pennsylvania, in addition to every major AM and FM station in northeastern Ohio (I live some 35 miles east of Cleveland and about a mile from the southern shore of Lake Erie, so I hear Canadian and southeastern Michigan FM stations quite regularly).

The C845 is part of Zenith's 800 series of table radios (C835, C835R, et al.), all of which were excellent from the standpoints of RF sensitivity and audio fidelity, the latter owing to the large main speaker and 5" tweeter. They don't make radios like this anymore. I'm sure you'll enjoy your C845 for many years to come as these radios (like all Zeniths until 1974, when Goldstar began manufacturing all "Zenith" branded radios, audio gear and later televisions) were built to last, unlike today's cheap plastic sets.

The only thing I'd be careful with on this radio is the phonograph input on the rear apron of the chassis. It will work with almost anything you attach to it, but the blocking capacitor that is supposed to isolate the phono input from the chassis is almost always defective in a set of this vintage, creating the potential for a dangerous electrical shock hazard if any device connected to it and ground are contacted simultaneously. I would replace the blocking capacitor as a matter of routine if you are going to be working on the chassis anyway, say for cleaning, replacing defective tubes, etc.

Again, enjoy your C845. You have a radio that will give you much listening enjoyment at the highest level of sound fidelity the state of the art for table radios allowed at the time the set was made.

BTW, if you don't care for the blonde finish of your C845, it can be removed easily, revealing a walnut or mahogany wood veneer underneath, unless of course your cabinet is dark wood already (the C845 was offered in two different cabinet styles, blonde and walnut/mahogany).
 
Jeff, thanks for the info..I will look into that capacitor, as I want to use that phono input.

I just realized that as much as I like, it could be better...as the tweeter I think isnt working...or the treble knob aint working...I may bid on another to use for parts...
 
Jack, grand ain't it?:thmbsp:

Jeff, there's a Zenith like your avvie on the bay for almost nothin' should I go for it?

Nolan, are you near the town of Strawberry?

Craig

I wish!

Strawberry is up on the rim...its probably about 25-degrees cooler up there.
 
I just purchased a very inexpensive Zenith C845. It works. This is my first project radio. From what I have read I think I need to replace the paper wax resistors. Does anybody have a schematic I can download so I know which to purchase?
 
You mean wax capacitors. Find you a schematic/service manual on Ebay whether Zenith factory or H.W. Sams photofacts (but buy a hard copy on eBay instead of the crummy Sam's Downloads which aren't the best of scans. I say this as a Zenith fanatic. Also, welcome to AK, you're among like minded friends. Post well, wisely, and often.
 
Henry Kloss's Tivoli Audio radio is the best SS table top I have ever owned or heard. Its even ported (on the bottom) for some bass from its smallish speaker.
 
Quick question if you have a moment.

My Zenith radio sounds great! I have noticed when I first turn it on it has, what I have learned from YouTube, a very low 60 hz buzz that fades away once the you start to hear the music from the radio. If I turn the volume down to zero ( can not hear any music) you can hear the buzz. This buzz exists on both AM and FM bands. The “buzz” is not detectable when the music is playing but after about a half an hour the sound ( music ) starts to get distorted. I do not believe it is either of the speakers since when the unit is first turned on it sounds great. You can turn the volume up and it gets loud with out distortion. The bass response is strong and defined. Its not the high end or midrange as much as the bass. Mostly a bass distortion. This unit has very good bass response considering this is a FM mono unit. So the distorted bass becomes very noticeable. This also limits the volume that this unit can be played. I have been doing some research on line and believe this could be a tube problem? Thinking amp tube?

Any ideas? Should I be looking somewhere else like a possible ground issue?
 
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