Omega Pro 501 Monitors

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I recently came across some speakers on the web I've never seen or heard of before. I'm somewhat familiar with Omega, but not these particular models. Has anyone seen or heard them, or care to comment about their drivers or sound? I'm especially curious to know what the tweeters are.

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The middle horn looks like a Motorola piezo driver.
CTS bought out the rights to make 'em for a while and lately Piezo Source makes / sells them.
Lotta info on the web about them,some of it right here @ AK.

There are a few different part numbers for them depending on whether they're the Powerline models or not.
Many are of the opinion they are the only piezo driver that sounds remotely tolerable.

And the Powerline models can handle a $#!t ton of wpc.
IIRC something like 400wpc which is a LOT for what is best described as a tweeter.
But do note that it can reproduce frequencies as low as 1800Hz IIRC.

The other drivers,cant say much 'bout those...

HTH

Bret P.
 
I wonder if the top driver is a real ribbon or a cheap cone with a fake cover on it? It does kinda resemble a JVC leaf tweeter.
 
The mid is definitely a Powerline piezo and the top driver is a planar ribbon tweeter that actually looks pretty nice if it isn't a complete fake. I believe these tweeters (if authentic) can handle tons of power as well, so it all points to these speakers having a pretty high max wattage rating. Also, they are "circuit breaker protected" and manufactured between 1983-1985. That's all I got.. for now. I'd love to hear 'em and may possibly get the chance, we'll see.
 
Curiousity got the best of me, so I picked them up. They have two different 15" woofers. One with an "Omega" labeled dustcap which had a crispy, rotted foam surround. The other woofer is different and uses a pleated surround that still looks good. A bit of research showed it was common for Omega to use woofers with the pleated surrounds back in the day.

I've only removed the dry-rotted woofer and midrange on one speaker so far. I cannot remove the tweeter, as I don't have a 1/4" nut driver or socket small enough to fit inside its plastic faceplate.

So while the "Omega" woofer would certainly appear original, would it also be the case the other non-matching woofer is original and they were sold this way? How common is it for new speakers to be sold with non-matching drivers? They were purchased from a second or third owner who did not recall any work ever being done to them. It was not obvious to me that someone had been in there before- for what it's worth.

While the magnet size of the dry rotted Omega woofer was not awe-inspiring, I will say the other pleated woofer I haven't inspected yet which (is totally different) sounds very good and powerful. It goes quite low and has very good bass definition and response to the point I would not see an obvious advantage of using a sub with them.

Since I didn't want to hook them both up as one of the woofer surrounds is gone and I didn't want to risk damaging it, I hooked up the good Omega Pro 501 with my Acoustalinear 1010 to a Proton D540 Integrated with a Citation 11 preamp. The two have different sensitivities and possibly impedances, but are roughly the same size, with the Omega clocking in as the largest speaker I currently own of the 10+ pairs I have.

Their sound reminds me a bit of the smiley curve EQ. Very strong and prominent bass (perhaps a bit too loose and powerful) with very clean and clear treble bordering on too bright. Mid-bass isn't as well defined as the 1010's, but everything else is louder, more forward and with better detail. All in all, I was actually quite impressed them.

It makes sense their treble has a lot of "energy", as the piezo mid is almost more of a (second) tweeter, and what I thought may be a planar ribbon tweeter is something else, but I'm not sure what. Shining a light through its metal grill, I can make out two, small oval shaped drivers. Whatever they are, and despite not being ribbons, they sound excellent with surprising imaging and detail compared to the brand new OEM CTS tweeter on the Acoustalinear 1010. Still, it's a hard comparison, as the Acoustalinear has a lower sensitivity, and will not sound as lively or good as the Omega at the same volume.

By themselves, I think the Acoustalinear 1010 sound excellent with a very large and expansive sound stage. The Omega have an even bigger soundstage than the Acoustalinear.

There may not be a whole lot I can do with the Omegas to make them sound even better by tweaking them and strengthening their weaknesses, besides possibly checking to see if they have the Powerline piezos (does any know) and if not, upgrade to those if possible. I know the Powerlines were considered the best piezos and used in Pro gear but also used a small lightbulb? which I didn't see. Since these speakers are labeled as Pro Monitors, I was/ am hoping they are the Powerlines. I am also considering dampening the cabs a bit by adding some insulation to their inside corners (and possibly more) to raise the Q a bit and minimimize their slightly overly bombastic tendency to sound a bit "loose". Also, I was considering adding a very small value paper in oil cap inline with the main positive lead feeding all three drivers to give the speaker a smoother, more liquid character that is a little less brash and in your face.

There is no crossover, just one cement resistor inline with the mid which could be upgraded to a non-inductive, wirewound Mills type. The only other component inside the speaker is some kind of voltage or current limiter that kills power for a short time before automatically trying to restart. I suppose I will replace the foam surround on the one woofer, upgrade the two resistors to Mills, dampen the cabs a bit, and install a PIO or teflon cap through the positive lead to see what that does for the sound..

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On the one hand, a straight wire with no crossover is ideal if it works, but there's less components to play with to change the sound. In this case, and as-is, they have an in-your-face, space filling sound that is both detailed and exciting.

From my understanding, Omegas were another Minnesota-based speaker company (Magnepan, Misco [Atlantis/ Team Electronics]) and possibly made by Hammond Electric as a house brand for Schaak Electronics. This same company may have also produced for the other MN players- Domus as well as the more popular DLK speakers. I have not generally been blown away with the build or sound quality of Omega speakers, but seeing as these giants were their "Pro Monitors" and probably among some of their best, I thought I'd take a chance and am glad I did. They seem to be quite sensitive for their huge size which is a desirable combo as they shouldn't necessarily require a ton of wattage to sound good, and may even pair well with some lower-powered tube gear.
 
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If you have a 6 in 1 screwdriver one of the ends MIGHT be 1/4". And it might fit, it does look like a small wall is needed based on your image.
 
Still no dice on removing the tweeter to see what it is, but both woofers appear more or less physically similar to be matched up which is good. I gave my original Citation 11 pre a break and just listened straight through my recapped Proton D540 integrated's pre/power sections. The Omega sounded cleaner, and a bit less strident, but also slightly less detailed. The bass is still more than potent but a little more controlled.

I ordered a couple 220 ohm 5W 1% Kiwame carbon film resistors to replace the Mitsubishi cement resistors, as it's the only component inside the cabs besides three drivers and wiring. I did not succeed in trying to tailor the sound by adding a cap to the main signal line. I tried the Russian PIOs. KBG first, and then the K40Y, but the audio signal was so badly reduced with them, that 100% volume was only about 5% volume. The resistor is standard-issue, so I know replacing it with another of the same resistance with carbon film (for the mid) should yield pleasing results when combined with the Powerline, as the mids on these speakers seem to have the least power output of all three drivers and could use a boost here to bridge the gap a little more from bass to treble.

Upon closer listening through a fresh preamp/amp, I have to say this speaker sounds quite amazing. With its pleated fabric woofer surround and aside from its drivers, there aren't any parts inside to (really) age, deteriorate and sound bad or different 40-50 years later. In its original form and current state, this speaker could still be sounding quite close to what it was new.

There is a kind of truth to the audio in having no crossover in big old speakers like these that I haven't heard before but am really enjoying. It's refrshing. Each of the three drivers are being fed the exact same full frequency and are simply reproducing the entire audible range they're capable of. At first I thought maybe it was a bad idea having no crossover, in the sense the sound would be muddied at the fringes of each driver's frequency response and bleed into one another in an undesirable way, but this is not the case (at all), and is in fact the exact opposite, as the overall effect is stunning and extremely lifelike.

What, no crossover? Try a straight wire with gain, delivering the full frequency without anything getting in the way. While these aren't the best drivers of all time, you'd be amazed how good they sound together with nothing else in their way inside these large cabinets!

I can even hear attenuated vocals coming from the woofer. I don't know what the frequency response range is for the 15" woofer or who made them, but they sound truly remarkable in these particular cabs. They go extremely low without losing any impact and can go relatively high without losing any focus. At first I thought the magnets were small for a 15", but after hearing them driven with a fresh preamp section, they are such a great match for these cabs that I really can't imagine how they could sound any better.

If they were any larger it would most certainly be overkill as they seemed to be tuned for these particular cabs. I usually want more powerful bass definition and energy from my speakers- but not these. The convey effortless authority with great detail and speed. Same goes for the tweeter, it is an excellent sounding driver also. They have excellent clarity and must be some kind of high output tweeter. Listening to any kind of pop, dance, techno or rap is truly a revelation on this speaker. I can't wait to hear what proper stereo sounds like when I get the other one fixed.

That said, the only driver I feel could be better is the midrange horn, so I will be installing the piezo source Powerlines in their place- which should hopefully be somewhat of a sonic improvement, in addition to the increased 400 watt max rating. Also, they cost me more than the entire speakers themselves.

This Omega speaker is truly a wall of sound. Every driver is reproducing the full audio signal as best it can. There is a completeness to the way it sounds and the way the drivers blend into one another. Listening to the Pro 501 with HQ recordings on an Astell & Kern AK70 Mkii portable DAP through its balanced output is amazing and makes it well-worth the restoration effort.

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There's a pair on my market that just popped up a few hours ago along with an old Sony AV receiver for $120. They look original but who knows. Think these is worth a shot or is this overpriced?
 

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Think these is worth a shot or is this overpriced?
It really does'nt matter what anyone else thinks they're worth.
If you think the price is reasonable,then it is a fair price,it's as simple as that.
If you think it's a bit overpriced but still want 'em,make an offer for what you feel they're worth.
Value is a subjective judgement call.

In any purchase there's always at least 3 points of view.
1. What the seller thinks his item is worth.
2. What the buyer is willing to pay for the item.
3. And what everyone else might think about the transaction.
All that really counts is no.1 & no. 2 anything else is mostly just static background noise.

FWIW

Bret P.
 
There's a pair on my market that just popped up a few hours ago along with an old Sony AV receiver for $120. They look original but who knows. Think these is worth a shot or is this overpriced?

They look to be in very good shape. The woofers are different than mine and don't appear to have paper cones which doesn't really mean anything. I would most definitely buy these and perhaps even offer less if you don't need the Sony receiver that comes with it.

Yours appear to have good foam surrounds on the woofers, which are the only maintenance item on these speakers. They will likely still sound as good as new if all the drivers work. Also, if you end up getting them, can you peep through the bass ports on the bottom to see if the cabs have any insulation in them? Thank you.

Also, there is no real mention of these speakers anywhere else on the internet besides this thread. Can anyone pull up any Orion Blue Book information on them? Happy listening!
 
Tweeter looks fake (not a good drawer but it points out what I am seeing).

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When ever a speaker says 'Pro' that SCREAMS WHITE VAN.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not a ribbon tweeter. It has dual oval drivers and sounds very good. I still can't remove them to see what they are. They do look white van-ish and I hear what you're saying about their appearance, all they need is carpeted cabs and black plastic woofer grates to complete the look, but Omega is a real speaker brand. I sort of felt the same way before I picked them up and was a bit skeptical of them, but am very glad I did based off sound quality.
 
There's a pair on my market that just popped up a few hours ago along with an old Sony AV receiver for $120. They look original but who knows. Think these is worth a shot or is this overpriced?
When I saw these I had never heard of them, The name does reflect the "white van" vibe. When I googled them it came directly to this link. Viewing the woofer made me think "infinity" type and I have zero use for the Sony.
 
I ordered the Powerline mids and Kiwame resistors and may do A/B comparisons between the two speakers after I refoam the bad woofer.

I'd like to hear one with the Powerline mid, one without, and one with the new carbon film resistor, and one without.

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I received the new Powerline mids and Kiwame resistors. Installed the new mid in my one working (as of now) 501 speaker. I used one of my 8 ohm Klipsch Quartets (upgraded with Crites crossover and titanium tweeter) for my other channel and did a bit of listening. The Klispch has a horn midrange AND tweeter, as well as a smaller woofer, but it also has a passive backfiring woofer. Both were placed on a table in the middle of the room for a test listen. Not necessarily ideal positioning for both speakers equally.

The dip in the midrange seems gone now with the new Powerline. It was a perfect drop in replacement and I recommend this driver for anyone using this same, 6-hole rectangular horn. The Powerline seems cleaner, "bigger" and louder. I decided at this point to keep both Powerlines in the picture from here on out. They're the exact opposite of a "mushy" sounding mid and cover a very large frequency range. I'm quite impressed with them. They're very detailed without being overly bright- I wish I could say the same for the Quartets.

After hearing this, I then installed the new Kiwame resistor in the same, working 501. It is in the direct signal path of the Powerline. At first it sounded bad, as in muffled. It's 220 ohm, just like the one I took out, but for whatever reason I had to re-adjust the speaker balance on the Proton D540 amp I'm using to get equal output from both speakers as the Klipsch is more efficient and gets louder on the volume dial quicker. After giving the Klipsch a little more de-emphasis than before, I found the perfect output balance between the two speakers once again.

I tried combos of speaker grills off/on versus one another and was surprised to find the Omega sounds better than the Quartet with its cover off and the Quartet's cover on. The Klipsch cover seems to be a dual layer job- plastic screen coated in fabric. The 501 is just fabric but also sounds a bit more muffled with it on. I'm going to re-cover the brown stretch fabric which has holes using more transparent fabric.

Even with its cover on, the Quartet is brighter, more forward and seems to be trying to push more HF information through a narrower soundfield which ends up sounding a bit muddied, busy and overly bright, but only when compared to the 501. The Klipsch has a good soundfield, but its HF information seems a bit too far forward and beamy in the center. I didn't notice this before as much when I was listening to both Quartets in stereo.

The 501 not only has better bass (more of it) but also it has more punch and definition at the very lowest frequencies compared to the Klipsch. To be fair, the Quartet could've been placed in front of a wall or in the corner for better bass and it could be using its original phenolic tweeter which might make it sound better in this comparison.

However, the 501 is not too forward or recessed sounding, but occupies a nice, comfortable middle ground. Now, I hear the mid doing the lion's share of work on the 501, whereas before I seemed to notice the bass and treble a little more. This is a good thing, because the Powerline mid, while covering a large range, is also one of the cleaner mids I've heard- especially at a higher volume, where it holds itself together much better than most. Sounds like plucks on stringed instruments and piano keys sound especially good and more lifelike than I'm used to. It seems like this piezo was almost made to render these sounds as realistic as possible.

The sound is more spatial on the 501. Not in the sense of a bigger soundfield, but there is greater separation in between different instruments, which is odd since there's no crossover and every driver is just blending into and overlapping with one another. I hate to say it, but the Klipsch sounded a bit smeared here by comparison- mostly in the HF range, where different trebly sounds seemed a bit more undifferentiated on the Klipsch and were more muddled together.

The 501's are all-day listeners for sure. They sound very realistic and natural without trying too hard to shock or "impress" you. They just sound right. The treble energy on the 501 isn't as noticeable as before, because the mid has more output and goes right up to the tweeter with an even smoother HF blend.

These speakers look kind of cheap trying to be fancy- no insulation, plastic veneer, thinner particleboard cabinets, kind of light for their size, BUT their cabs are big and reasonably deep. I'll be selling my Quartets long before these. Of course, it helps that the Klipsch's are worth a lot more. These ones are worth practically nothing in an amazing sounding state- aka "keepers". I do recommend the Powerline mid and resistor upgrade for anyone else with these speakers. I can't wait to refoam the other's bad woofer and get that one up to par for a proper listen.

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