OTL amp coming alive - and with output trannies, too

pqrannes

Tubes warm your heart too
I won a Philips OTL (Output TransformerLess) tube amp, AG-9015, from about 1960, off a local auction earlier this winter. It came with a double pair of 800 ohms Philips speakers that fitted the 800 ohms OTL outputs.

I brought the amp up with a number of different lightbulbs (one at a time) in serial with the amp and it play very fine. The sound of the OTL amp and its speakers, and especially the strange little tweeter boxes, is magical although some might miss a deep and tight bass which the non-closed Philips main speaker boxes can’t deliver (there is a lot a bass though from such a little ‘paper’ cabinet. All together I’m very pleased with the ag-9015 which I got for a lot less that they go for on ebay in Germany.

This OTL amp has a pair of non-OTL outputs too, that will let you have the amp drive more ordinary speakers than the 800 ohms Philips. I’ve asked AK’s earlier about matching 4 ohm speakers with the 8 ohm outputs and got god answers.

I then tried my 4 ohm three-way horn speakers on the Philips, but didn’t like the result. And I tried a pair of 8 ohm AR-6 on the Philips, but the outcome wasn’t good this time either.
Then yesterday it was time for trying out my A-25. The immediate result was as bad as with the Jealvox horns and the AR-6s. Since I’m just getting back on my legs after a round of flu my hearing is a bit fuzzy and I gave the A-25 another shot this morning. Not much better. But I didn’t give up. Gave it a try this afternoon … and didn’t it sound just a little bit better? For an hour or two it the setup has been playing and I think – in the aftermath of the flu – that it is not bad at all. It is quite good!

But what happened? The amp has been used daily for about a month now so no turning point there.

My only (poor) explanation is that the non-OTL output section (and the caps there) hasn’t been broken back in without any load on the 8 ohms outputs and only started to sound decent until I started to use it. But is that possible?

I enclose pictures of the amp and speakers (from the auction) and one (bad) nude of the top of the amp showing the two output trannies (I think) and a number of caps next to them.

I know that I might have to recap the output part of the amp to bring it back to its former high end quality but like to hear what ya’ll think of my theory.

Peter, Denmark
 

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Kegger said:
I have no info for you but that is a way cool piece you got there!

Kegger! It is very cool, that's why it has to sound perfect.

:thmbsp: And it is running on EL 86 TV-tubes! That's cool too, if it sounds good.

Peter
 
Hello Peter, I have an amplifier Philips AG 9015, is a very good amplifier mainly when you connect OTL with the Philips loudspeakers 9710A 800 ohms. Its brightness is excellent. Enyoy using at the moment Single Ended Triode 2A3 and 300B and I like plus the sound of the Triode 2A3. These link can serve you:View attachment 40180

Martin
 
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Hello Peter, I have the service manual in PDF on watch one of Ag 9015 if you want the shipment to it to your mai, best regards, Martin :thmbsp:
 
MartinV56 said:
Hello Peter, I have the service manual in PDF on watch one of Ag 9015 if you want the shipment to it to your mai, best regards, Martin :thmbsp:

Hi Martin,

Thank for the comments.

I haven't opened my ng3946 philips boxes to see, which driver is in there; it could be a 9710A as you have.

:tresbon: If the manual you have is the Dutch one, I have already found it on the web, but thank you very much for offering it to me. If it is not in Dutch please let me know.

Peter, Denmark
 
The Philips amp would probably work pretty good with a pair of Norelco/Philips 9762M 12 inch full-range drivers..

Use the OTL section for supertweeters?

The 9762M's should/will have good bass response in around a 4 foot cabinet port tuned to 32,35 Hz.
 
Mike Stehr said:
The Philips amp would probably work pretty good with a pair of Norelco/Philips 9762M 12 inch full-range drivers..

Use the OTL section for supertweeters?

The 9762M's should/will have good bass response in around a 4 foot cabinet port tuned to 32,35 Hz.


Guess I should be looking out for a pair of those?

Found this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Philips-Norelco...er-Woofer_W0QQitemZ110077501022QQcmdZViewItem

A bid pricy for old speakers but they seem to be worth it. I don't think they are 800 ohm and should then be run by the 'normal' outputs?

Peter, Denmark
 
pqrannes said:
Guess I should be looking out for a pair of those?

Found this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Philips-Norelco...er-Woofer_W0QQitemZ110077501022QQcmdZViewItem

A bid pricy for old speakers but they seem to be worth it. I don't think they are 800 ohm and should then be run by the 'normal' outputs?

Peter, Denmark

Yeah, they do get a bit of money on eBay listings. I haven't checked eBay for the current Norelco listings in some time.
$160 for one driver is getting a little rich, but it was a nice clean driver.

They have a pretty good size Alnico magnet, which gives good bass response.
I don't know if the Norelco 9762M impedance is 800 ohms, I doubt it.

http://melhuish.org/audio/DIYBX2.html

Here's a write up from a local friend who had a pair.
 
I have to revive this one!!!!

This ol' Philips is sounding better and better on the 8/16 ohm speaker output running my Dynaco (Scandyna) A-25X. I will keep to my theory that some part of the output trannie setup was only run (back) in when speakers were connected.

Please contradict this is you can!

When I first connected speakers to the 8/16 ohm output it sounded all distorted when I turned it up. It doesn't now!

Peter, snowy Denmark
 
Hi Peter, I have an Philips AG-9014 , is the first philips stereo OTL (1959)and only run with 800ohms speakers, i have the original AD-5046 boxes whith 9710AM speaker, the bass is decent but the midrange and high is amazing. In recent experiment put the 9710 in a folded TL tuned at 38Hz and ratio 1:25 to 1, the sound is "nirvana", beautifull (sorry my english).... the AG-9015 was the next generation bassed in AG9014, the same pre, same basic power amplifier but five "bonus" watts. Congratulations
Gerardo, Chile.
 
dagg39 said:
Hi Peter, I have an Philips AG-9014 , is the first philips stereo OTL (1959)and only run with 800ohms speakers, i have the original AD-5046 boxes whith 9710AM speaker, the bass is decent but the midrange and high is amazing. In recent experiment put the 9710 in a folded TL tuned at 38Hz and ratio 1:25 to 1, the sound is "nirvana", beautifull (sorry my english).... the AG-9015 was the next generation bassed in AG9014, the same pre, same basic power amplifier but five "bonus" watts. Congratulations
Gerardo, Chile.

Thank you Gerardo for sharing. Your description of the 800 ohm sound is very precise.

What I have found with my ag9015 since I connected speakers to the non-OTL output is that it really coming alive. Since the amp came with 800 ohms speakers I think that the 8/16 ohms outputs have NEVER been used and I just broke in the output transformers and the output cabs (if there is any). It's sounding better and better and now driving my three way horns and I've thus got bass back in my life.

Peter, Denmark
 
Need the schematics for the AG9015

Hello Anyone can mail nme the schematics of this el86 amp
Need to upgrade and know which of connectors is for + and - of the loudspeakercable entrance
 
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