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Pickering VX-15/625E vs VSX-3000 ... what you think ?
- Thread starter le_syd1961
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"Optimum tracking force: 2.0g"
I assume that is for the cartridge that it originally came with. And we could assume Sansui fitted the TT with a cartridge that was a good match for the tonearm.
So if you got a replacement cartridge/stylus combination with the same optimum VTF, it should be a good match for that tonearm.
According the this link
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0dU63upxeqquPTLdY--yLX
The xv-15 w/ 350 stylus is ideal. 400 will work too if you want an elliptical stylus.
NOS are hard to find at good prices, but you should be able to find aftermarket.
The xsv-3000 takes higher compliance styli (that usually means lower VTF). It may not match your tonearm as well.
I assume that is for the cartridge that it originally came with. And we could assume Sansui fitted the TT with a cartridge that was a good match for the tonearm.
So if you got a replacement cartridge/stylus combination with the same optimum VTF, it should be a good match for that tonearm.
According the this link
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0dU63upxeqquPTLdY--yLX
The xv-15 w/ 350 stylus is ideal. 400 will work too if you want an elliptical stylus.
NOS are hard to find at good prices, but you should be able to find aftermarket.
The xsv-3000 takes higher compliance styli (that usually means lower VTF). It may not match your tonearm as well.
Andre Garcia
“WITHOUT MUSIC, LIFE WOULD BE A MISTAKE”
hi!
Is a normal 625e without the plastic chunk.
I removed to improve the stylus talk test. My theory was correct. The stylus vibrate and the vibration was transmited to the plastic chunk that is hollow and hard.- Vibration love hard surface!! The plactic is attached to the body and so on. Removing the plastick the talk decreased a lot, because doesnt have the resonsnce box anymore. I was thinking to add bee wax inside the hollow cavities inside the chunk, but add weight that I dont need. Still a fair option to do that, probably in my next stylus.
The small tab you see, i made it to keep the gap between the stylus and the body and adjust the azimuth.
Andre.
Looks like a D5000! Incredibly rare, but I'm wondering what cartridge that is he's running it on. Looks like a gold XV-15 variant (XV-15/1200E?) but using a MM stylus in a MI body probably isn't optimal but others have done so with apparent success.
xbigbopper
New Member
The cartridge is an XSV 5000. Original D5000 stereohedron stylus and brush with only around 50-100 hours played. I removed the sticker because it was badly discolored and gave her a good rubdown. Looks purdy, huh? I only use her once in a while. I also have a gold bodied XV-15 625e (Original D625 stylus and brush) that I use more regularly.
xbigbopper
New Member
Sweet! If you don't mind sharing, how did you make the little tab? I have a couple spare aftermarket stylus I'd love to try this on.
I've experienced both, but not for a long time--not since factory fresh, original styli were still being made. The XSV-3000 produced some of the best sound I've heard in a modest stereo; a friend had one in his Thorens TD147, and it produced extremely fine sound through his original NAD 3020 amplifier and Klipsch Heresy speakers. I liked the XV-15 625E in my Thorens TD146, finding that my TD146 really couldn't take advantage of or get my money's worth out of more expensive cartridges. I later used a Stanton 981 (similar to the Pickering XSV line) in a Linn LP12, but reverted to a 681EEE Mk III when they stopped producing styli for the 981. When the 681's were also discontinued, I moved to Shure; now that Shure is gone, I'm using Sumiko.I was use to a faster answer and this subject should raise some replies for I'm sure lots of you have experienced one or the other cardridge ...
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
Hearing those issues, means your ears for me are worthy and beyond reproach. Meaning you have a trained ear.
le_syd1961
Active Member
That is a long journey under lots of different brands ! I don't have that experience yet ... I only have two TTs, both Sansui, one being a SR-2050C that spins with a Nagaoka MP110 (the most expensive cartrige I ever bought and according to my ears, worth every cent spent) and the other, a recently purchased SR-4050C dressed with it's original cartrige that gives a really poor sound !
The cardrige meant to be on this turntable is an IM type ... But I guess setting an MM type will do ?? I do not have lots of knowledge in the field of cartriges and don't know if either Stanton of Pickering ever made any IM types... Maybe you can help me on this point ?
Jrtrent ?... what return do you have to share wrt the Stanton 681 vs the XV-15 625E ??
The XV-15 datasheet you kindly provided says that with the brush the VTF is to be implemented by 1 gram. do you take account of that in your recommadation Jeff ?
Making progress in sorting out the pros and cons and widening my general culture on the subject ... Thank you all for inputs !
le_syd1961
Active Member
In between all the different expenses with equipment, if you don't squeeze the budget, you got none left to by LP's and then ... what's the point in having the best equipment with plenty various items to compare if you have nothing to listen on ?Without knowing your financial situation I will naively recommend to buy both and let your ears decide which one you prefer. In any case, good luck.
Allow me a paralleI here, I love wine and collect good bottles, it's amongst other things one good thing about being french ! One thing I learnt from wine and adopted in HiFi is that it's 10 times more enjoyable when you get high emotion paying low price. It's easy to get high on a bottle at 1000 USD but reaching the same pleasure with one that you only paid 100 is priceless ! It's easy to get a high end Mcintosh or Accuphase you pay 10.000 USD but enjoying an old Sansui AU-999 you paid 2.000 only and that bears the competition ? Priceless !
This forum is
fantastic, because it allows us to get into things deeper and to enjoy nice sound at reasonable price !... (that is my humble thought )
The Stanton closest to the XV-15 625E would probably be the 680EE, which I believe was later called the 680 HiFi. The 681 models were part of Stanton's "calibration standard," which were individually tested at the factory and the test results included in the box the cartridge came in. Neither the 625E nor the 680EE included test results. The 681EEE models also tended to be specified as having slightly higher compliance (e.g., 25 cu as opposed to the 17 or 18 cu of the 625E and 680EE).
Others may well have more certain knowledge about induced magnet cartridges, but from what I've read, a moving iron cartridge can also be called an induced magnet cartridge. Goldring has an interesting blurb about their moving iron design in which they state that a magnetic field is induced in the bit of hollow iron that gets moved about to generate the signal:
https://www.goldring.co.uk/cartridges/moving-iron-cartridges.html
I like both choices, perhaps the 3000 more, but given that the actual choice nowadays is between whatever styli you are usuing, and their condition, I can't hazard a guess.
What I can add is that the arm on your table is the original arm, and that you have the lateral weight misadjusted - it should be vertical not horizontal (and it actually looks tilted up). How much that matters is arguable, but in its correct orientation it will lower the center of mass a bit, which is probably helpful.
All the manuals are in the library at Vinyl Engine.
What I can add is that the arm on your table is the original arm, and that you have the lateral weight misadjusted - it should be vertical not horizontal (and it actually looks tilted up). How much that matters is arguable, but in its correct orientation it will lower the center of mass a bit, which is probably helpful.
All the manuals are in the library at Vinyl Engine.
Andre Garcia
“WITHOUT MUSIC, LIFE WOULD BE A MISTAKE”
I made it using a laser cutter. Glad to send you one. I am not home until next week.
AG.
Andre Garcia
“WITHOUT MUSIC, LIFE WOULD BE A MISTAKE”
Trying.
AG.
le_syd1961
Active Member
Thanks Nat for picking this up!
Actually the pic is a portion of a screen copy issued from the net meant to show the type of arm equipping the SR-4050C so, not mine.
As mentionned on another post, I am stuck in Qatar since end April and one sole pleasure I have is still dig around the net to get all the needed for my return home. Bought another Sansui AU-555A in addition to the AU-919, a Sony TC-377, some 20 LP's from Miles Davis (Numbered Limited Edition of TUTU) to Pink Floyd (The Wall pressed in a beautifull japanese edition) and passing by "Harlem River Drive" a 71 pressing that is in NM condition !
I can add that I miss the hinges on this Sansui SR4050C, but I'll create a post about it elsewhere !
NOW :
End with questionning myself ...
I found on the dock of thEbay a Stanton 681EEE mk2/s
originaly dressed with a Stereohedron EEE II-S
Sold as being in exceptional condition
SPECS :
weights 6.2 gr
Tracking Force 0.75 - 1.5 g
Output Voltage: 3.5mV
Output Impedance: 1300 Ω
Channel Separation: 35 dB
Dynamic Compliance @10Hz Horiz/Vert.: 25 µm/mN
Stylus Tip: 8 x 71um Stereohedron
Price from UK including transportation : Equivalent to 250 USD (I got the price dropped by 50 USD Is it too expensive ?
)I talked about a Richard that spead his experience and knowledge of this brand on LENCO Heaven forum. He says the greatest thing about this cartrige and he knows enough to written a book named : "The Handbook for Stanton and Pickering Cartridges and Styli"
I'll try to get that booklet contacting him.
I'll keep you posted with updated soonest I get to try it ! I may need advice to set it properly !...
