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Pickering XSV3000 by Todays Standards

dreamereasy

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Having just got back into vinyl after many years, I decided to revive my old XSV3000 with a new stylus (as I mentioned in a post about my Thorens TD145 turntable).
What I'm wondering is, what modern cartridges would the XSV3000 compare or compete with?
Just curious, as I am not that well versed on cartridges.
 
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They're phenomenal LF trackers but I'm not sure they're all that great at higher frequency tracking. I have the Telarc test disc and there is a torture track there for testing higher frequency tracking, few cartridges get all the way through. The Audio Technica 540ML does. The V15 V does. I have not tested my XSV3000. One of these days...
 
All of the Stanton/PIckering high end cartridges will hold their own against modern ones, hasn't been much development money in cartridges for vinyl for the last 40 years. Probably the best for tracking/high frequency are the berlilyium foil cantilever styli from Shure, but no one makes them any more.

I'm sure that statement will produce a lot of debate, but since I can't hear anything over 14kHz any more, purely academic for me, lol. I won't notice if it there or not anyway.
 
Exceptional stylus! I don't think anything modern in the MM/MI domain can, or will ever compare. Vinyl resurrection 2nd round, isn't about R&D and new stuff being developed. Some of the vintage gear is irreplaceable.

You've got to read this post by @ear4audio.
Thanks for the referral to ear4audio's most excellent post. I will listen with a keener perspective when my XSV3000 is on the job.
 
Having just got back into vinyl after many years, I decided to revive my old XSV3000 with a new stylus (as I mentioned in a post about my Thorens TD145 turntable).
What I'm wondering is, what modern cartridges would the XSV3000 compare or compete with?
Just curious, as I am not that well versed on cartridges.

The XSV3000 (1977), with its Stereohedron original stylus nude-mounted on the special, characteristic Pickering/Stanton alloy cantilever, was good enough to be used by some mastering engineers in the 1970s for checking records...

Do tecords from today sound better than records from 1977? No...

An XSV3000 in year 2023, fitted with a $30 aftermarket stylus, can reach the same high audio quality levels as a $30 Audio Technica AT-VM95C cartridge. Youknowhatimean.
 
I have the Telarc test disc and there is a torture track there for testing higher frequency tracking,

However, this doesn't have a correlation to audio quality, only measures the ability to track very difficult records or very high levels.
 
However, this doesn't have a correlation to audio quality, only measures the ability to track very difficult records or very high levels.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Perhaps that is true for LF tracking ability but when it comes to middle and high frequencies, many more records become challenging.
 
^ The "Stereohedron" as Stan/Pick named it, is basically a double edged Shibata. I am pretty sure, but this is out the top of my head, this tip profile was developed for quad playback. This type of tip was required to be able to read the carrier modulations in frequencies around 40KHz. It doesn't make much sense for it to excel in the lows and fail with the highs with a normal stereo LP. I've used a 881S (same tip) for decades, and I've never noticed a problem in the higher regions. In fact, it was an extraordinary performer. Just saying...
 
^ I'm not saying it fails at the highs, just that the folklore had me expecting something that could match my V15 or 540ML, but it does not. This becomes apparent at the end-of-side of some of my classical and solo piano records.
 
Yep, OEM styli.

I actually procured a microscope in large part because I wanted to verify the styli I had found were, in fact, NOS (they are).
 
OK, so I trust the stylus is good. Last one... Have you tried it with the stabilizer brush + some extra VTF?
 
Having just got back into vinyl after many years, I decided to revive my old XSV3000 with a new stylus (as I mentioned in a post about my Thorens TD145 turntable).
What I'm wondering is, what modern cartridges would the XSV3000 compare or compete with?
Just curious, as I am not that well versed on cartridges.
Hard to say since I have no experience with the LP Gear Vivid Line stylus you're using, and it's been decades since I've heard an XSV-3000. For that matter, it's been about 30 years since Stanton/Pickering stopped producing Stereohedron styli (if memory serves, it was in 1993 that I bought a 681EEE Mk III because styli for my 981 LZS had been discontinued), and I would not care to trust that even if old stock styli could be found that their rubber suspensions would still be at factory spec. As a guess I'd say your Pickering/Vivid Line might be comparable to an Ortofon OM body with the Stylus 20 (which, by the way, is an excellent performer).

I do appreciate your bringing back pleasant memories. Some of the best sound I've heard was with a reasonably modest system of TD147 turntable, XSV-3000 cartridge, NAD 3020 integrated amp, and Klipsch Heresy speakers (properly located on the floor in the corners of the long wall of the room and toed in 45 degrees). This was owned by a friend, now deceased, and in the fairly large front room of an apartment he lived in prior to his marriage (he never did have as optimum a room set-up in the house they bought). Just amazingly dynamic, spacious, well-focused sound. Maynard Ferguson sounded better in his apartment than at the live shows we attended.
 
Maybe a bit off topic, but I thought my XSV3000 to be very competent until I installed one of the XSV4000s I have, using the same stylus as I used in the 3000 (re-tipped by Joseph with a stereohedron). With the 4000, I heard things I had never heard before in my records, even down to the slight variations in finger pressure as the musicians fretted a sustained note on a stringed instrument. My wife noticed it as well, and she usually doesn't pay much attention to those sorts of things. I don't see how any cartridge, old or new, MI or MC, could better reproduce the clarity and detail the XSV4000 has.
 
Maybe a bit off topic, but I thought my XSV3000 to be very competent until I installed one of the XSV4000s I have, using the same stylus as I used in the 3000 (re-tipped by Joseph with a stereohedron). With the 4000, I heard things I had never heard before in my records, even down to the slight variations in finger pressure as the musicians fretted a sustained note on a stringed instrument. My wife noticed it as well, and she usually doesn't pay much attention to those sorts of things. I don't see how any cartridge, old or new, MI or MC, could better reproduce the clarity and detail the XSV4000 has.

I'll have to seek out a 4000 to retip. My early 80s rig was a SL-1700 MK2 with a 3000 on it. I still have cassettes I recorded from it, what a great-sounding pickup.
 
I'll have to seek out a 4000 to retip. My early 80s rig was a SL-1700 MK2 with a 3000 on it. I still have cassettes I recorded from it, what a great-sounding pickup.
The stylus he re-tipped was a D3000 and he said it was one of the best tracking styli he had ever run across. I want to send him one of my D4000s to put a nude Fritz Gyger FG 2 on it to see what that sounds like.
 
OK, so I trust the stylus is good. Last one... Have you tried it with the stabilizer brush + some extra VTF?

Of course. It is what it is, which is a very good tracker with a rising HF response. Probably ideal for some. Had it tracked as well as a V15 or VM540ML or Ortofon 540, I'd have tamed the HF energy and listened more. As it was I put it away after about a week.
 
The XSV3000 (1977), with its Stereohedron original stylus nude-mounted on the special, characteristic Pickering/Stanton alloy cantilever, was good enough to be used by some mastering engineers in the 1970s for checking records...

Do tecords from today sound better than records from 1977? No...

An XSV3000 in year 2023, fitted with a $30 aftermarket stylus, can reach the same high audio quality levels as a $30 Audio Technica AT-VM95C cartridge. Youknowhatimean.
When the XSV 3000 was first introduced, it had a bonded tip. Later on, it went to a nude stylus.
 
Hard to say since I have no experience with the LP Gear Vivid Line stylus you're using, and it's been decades since I've heard an XSV-3000. For that matter, it's been about 30 years since Stanton/Pickering stopped producing Stereohedron styli (if memory serves, it was in 1993 that I bought a 681EEE Mk III because styli for my 981 LZS had been discontinued), and I would not care to trust that even if old stock styli could be found that their rubber suspensions would still be at factory spec. As a guess I'd say your Pickering/Vivid Line might be comparable to an Ortofon OM body with the Stylus 20 (which, by the way, is an excellent performer).

I do appreciate your bringing back pleasant memories. Some of the best sound I've heard was with a reasonably modest system of TD147 turntable, XSV-3000 cartridge, NAD 3020 integrated amp, and Klipsch Heresy speakers (properly located on the floor in the corners of the long wall of the room and toed in 45 degrees). This was owned by a friend, now deceased, and in the fairly large front room of an apartment he lived in prior to his marriage (he never did have as optimum a room set-up in the house they bought). Just amazingly dynamic, spacious, well-focused sound. Maynard Ferguson sounded better in his apartment than at the live shows we attended.
Stanton and Pickering suspensions don't seem to have any issues, some old Shures go hard and some carts suspensions go soft, but some like the Stanton's seem perfect after all these years making retip a very valid option.
Chris
 
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