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Pioneer PL-300 or PL-600

owensct

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Hi All,

New to the forum and new to the whole turntable scene. I acquired two Pioneer PL-600's (not the X) in excellent to brand new never used, and a PL-300 in like new condition. Either the 600's have to go or the 300 has to go. Being a total turntable noob I wanted get the opinion of the turntable veterans to see which one I would be better off keeping.

Thanks

Gordon
 
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If the PL-600 "silver" is the one you have, then thats a very nice table IMO.
Don't have any experience with the PL-300
 
Thanks. It's the black one. That's how I ended up acquiring the PL-300 I saw it for a very reasonable price and thought it was the PL-600X, (silver one) and was so excited, lol that I snapped it up before I realized it wasn't the correct table. That's one of the things I hate about Ebay you can put PL-600 in the search bar and it brings up a bunch of irrelevant listings.

Gordon
 
That pl-300 isn't a bad turntable, if it's working correct and has a decent cart it will produce a very nice sound, much better than the belt drive pl-600...
Just beware of the rubber spring boots on the suspension springs
 
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Thanks, I've been reading about the rubber boots. I'm sure the ones on my PL-300 are deteriorated and I assume there is no replacements for them. Any recommendations on what to use in their place? I suppose one could use a 3D printer to create a mold, if one has an intact boot and try to remake them is silicon.

I know they are part of the fantastic plastic generation, but to me the PL-300 feels more solidly built than the PL-600. I haven't done much with it yet, but will be running tests on it hopefully tomorrow.

Gordon
 
Thanks, I've been reading about the rubber boots. I'm sure the ones on my PL-300 are deteriorated and I assume there is no replacements for them. Any recommendations on what to use in their place? I suppose one could use a 3D printer to create a mold, if one has an intact boot and try to remake them is silicon.

I know they are part of the fantastic plastic generation, but to me the PL-300 feels more solidly built than the PL-600. I haven't done much with it yet, but will be running tests on it hopefully tomorrow.

Gordon
I haven't found anything that will work for the boots, the platter on my pl-400 doesn't sit level because the boots need replaced, so if your platter is sitting level maybe yours are ok...
Let us know how the testing goes, good luck!
 
I think that the PL-300 is a fundamentally decent turntable, although some people knock them because of their 'plastic appearance'. Have a look on the Bay as there are a couple of places that make replacement suspension spring boots. They fit PL-200, PL-300 & PL-400 tables. Be careful removing the springs as the front left one is different from the other 3.

I have stripped and rebuilt a number of these units (PL-200/PL-300/PL400) over the years. There is also a version (slightly different unit numbers). which has a black straight dynamically balanced arm and these are actually pretty good.

Good points:
Nice heavy well machined platter. The hanging rotor system needs no lubrication. All the platter mass hangs below the bearing which is inside the spindle rather than at the bottom as with most turntables making it fundamentally stable. Apparently, this was the thinnest direct drive motor ever made. The speed control is excellent, when working correctly, and wow & flutter are very low. The semi-automatic mechanism doesn't touch the arm assemble while a record is playing - it has a hair trigger mechanism to operate the auto return. The plinth looks like standard plastic, but is actually resin filled polymer. These decks are very reliable workhorses which will give a decent performance when set up properly. Service manuals for these are available on Vinyl Engine.

Bad points:
It's worthwhile getting a good used spare motor assembly as the control ICs are unavailable - They are Pioneer bespoke chips and were last made in 1982. The tonearm is an average quality medium mass S shaped arm with a technics style removable headshell - typical of mass produced Japanese units at the time. It has no height adjustment for different height cartridges. It suits a decent AT magnetic cartridge such as the AT VM95 series.
 
I think that the PL-300 is a fundamentally decent turntable, although some people knock them because of their 'plastic appearance'. Have a look on the Bay as there are a couple of places that make replacement suspension spring boots. They fit PL-200, PL-300 & PL-400 tables. Be careful removing the springs as the front left one is different from the other 3.

I have stripped and rebuilt a number of these units (PL-200/PL-300/PL400) over the years. There is also a version (slightly different unit numbers). which has a black straight dynamically balanced arm and these are actually pretty good.

Good points:
Nice heavy well machined platter. The hanging rotor system needs no lubrication. All the platter mass hangs below the bearing which is inside the spindle rather than at the bottom as with most turntables making it fundamentally stable. Apparently, this was the thinnest direct drive motor ever made. The speed control is excellent, when working correctly, and wow & flutter are very low. The semi-automatic mechanism doesn't touch the arm assemble while a record is playing - it has a hair trigger mechanism to operate the auto return. The plinth looks like standard plastic, but is actually resin filled polymer. These decks are very reliable workhorses which will give a decent performance when set up properly. Service manuals for these are available on Vinyl Engine.

Bad points:
It's worthwhile getting a good used spare motor assembly as the control ICs are unavailable - They are Pioneer bespoke chips and were last made in 1982. The tonearm is an average quality medium mass S shaped arm with a technics style removable headshell - typical of mass produced Japanese units at the time. It has no height adjustment for different height cartridges. It suits a decent AT magnetic cartridge such as the AT VM95 series.
I'm not seeing the new replacement spring boots..
 
For all the years we sold Pioneer we never sold a Pioneer turntable. I don't think I ever saw one in the shop for repair either. I guess we were sort of committed to B&O, Thorens, Technics and Revox tables. We were the number one Pioneer Cassette machine and R2R dealers for quite a few years in the Rocky Mountain region.
 
Thanks all for the info. Looks like the PL-300 is the keeper assuming it checks out. Been trying to get to it for days, but life tends to get in the way.

Gordon
 
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