Pros vs Cons of 2 Smaller Woofers vs. One big one?

Read an article a long time ago from Legacy Audio, where they said they found that you have to double the amount of bass drivers to do much good (3dB louder, etc.); i.e., from 1 to 2, then 4, 8, 16, and so on. So adding one more to a pair doesn't do much, you need 4. Same with 4 to 8 (not 5 or 6), etc.
 
Something like that would make for a nice HT subwoofer system . . . only use (9) for reasons mentioned above . . .

Mental dude.

Went to the Huntsville Space thing years ago in 8th grade, I think. I want to say the room they used to replicate the Saturn V rocket taking off utilized 8 18'' EV subwoofers. They actually bragged about it, and I was just getting into audio. Left quite an impression on me.
 
^ Noice!

It's weird, coz I went to Kennedy/Canaveral in Fla. some years ago, where they have a real Saturn rocket on display. It was enormous, lying horizontally and you could walk under it. In another room they had a demo thing with old movies of various launches, and I don't know what they used for sound but it was pretty damned uber.

I'd like to hear some Dead Can Dance or Zero 7 on that friggin' NASA rig. :thmbsp:
 
Read an article a long time ago from Legacy Audio, where they said they found that you have to double the amount of bass drivers to do much good (3dB louder, etc.); i.e., from 1 to 2, then 4, 8, 16, and so on. So adding one more to a pair doesn't do much, you need 4. Same with 4 to 8 (not 5 or 6), etc.

Assuming amplifier power stays the same you'd be correct. Either way, building a multiple subwoofer system is a great way to learn all kinds of stuff about acoustics.

That NASA rig sounds pretty cool. A tremendous amount of Vd and power would be required to even come close to replicating a rocket launch.
 
Of course, but in a room like that, well, they weren't trying for 130+ dB or such, but it was pretty nuts. And clean as a whistle too, I heard no distortion, rattling, or harshness.

This is what NASA uses for 163dB testing:


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http://www.nasa.gov/content/reverberant-acoustic-test-facility/
 
This is what NASA uses for 163dB testing:
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Wait! I've heard of this:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy notes that:
Disaster Area noise levels: comparative analysis. Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagralacka Mind Zones are generally held to be not only the loudest rock band in the galaxy, but in fact the loudest noise of any kind at all.

Regular concert goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty seven miles from the stage. Whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit round the planet, or more frequently round a completely different planet. Their songs are, on the whole, very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy being meets girl being beneath a silvery moon which then explodes for no adequately explored reason.
Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artistic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address system contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties.




In both size and shape the sound rig closely resembled Manhattan.

Risen out of the silos, the neutron speaker stacks towered monstrously against the sky, obscuring the banks of plutonium reactors and seismic amps behind them.

Buried deep in concrete bunkers beneath the city of speakers lay the instruments that the musicians would control from their ship, the massive photon-ajuitar, the bass detonator and the Megabang drum complex.

It was going to be a noisy show.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
 
Just FWIW, what master speaker builder Troels Gravesen has to say on this general subject:

"So, if you can handle a 60-70 litre cab, find a 12" driver, mount it on the side if the speaker must be skinny and use a 6" for midrange with a point of crossover around 250-350 Hz - and now hear what happens. With a 12" making 90-92 dB and a large middriver that no longer also has to handle the bass - we have a much better starting point in making an easy-to-listen-to speaker."

So if you put the 12" on the front, add a 10" spaced only 1/4" away from the 12", keep the 6(1/2)" mid and 350hz crossover point, bump the cabinet size up to 90 litres, add a ribbon tweeter, well then you have a Speakerlab S7s.

Cheers,
James
 
You just KNOW somebody at NASA has snuck in and played Pink Floyd or something groovy when the boss was away at a meeting.
 
You just KNOW somebody at NASA has snuck in and played Pink Floyd or something groovy when the boss was away at a meeting.

Well, it's NASA, so it might have been Johnny Cash or even some German 'oom-pa-pa' sort of thing if it was one of the scientists/physicists we plucked out of Europe at the end of WWII.

"Yah, vee valk und vee talk on zee moon."

Imagine what it looks like on the other side of that wall. All those drivers? Must be a fortune poured into that rig. I don't imagine it would be my kind of thing though. Probably all horn drivers. I think I'll keep my cone-tweeters. Besides, that panel would never fit in my living room. They should call it a "damn-near-infinite-baffle" design.
 
I've been wondering about the big woof vs small woof thang quite a bit this past year or so. Right now, my two main pairs of speakers are my W90's with the fully-isolated twin 12" woofer enclosures (The mids and tweeters are free-air-mounted ABOVE the woofer section) and my Denton reissues with the much-smaller 5" woofer. The Dentons have good weight (SONIC weight) considering their size. With a sub, I suspect these are awfully-good (The crossover point is almost indistinguishable). But the W90's have midwoofers that are as big as the woofers in the Denton reissues, and each W90 has two of them, just like the woofers, and this is definitely a case where the size matters. The W90's have life-sized mids and highs, same as the bass, and there's no getting around that. The Dentons have found a permanent home, but the W90's may very well end up being my main speakers for life. And it's not because of the bass. Wharfedales in general from that era have a very-laid-back bass response, quite-tame compared to later speakers, but the WEIGHT of the bass, mids, and treble, collectively. That's one area where the W90's really get it done. Guitars, horn instruments, Hammond organs, string sections, vocals, etc. There's just no substitute for a large cone-surface area, whether it's from one driver or spread out over several of them.
 
Went to the Huntsville Space thing years ago in 8th grade, I think. I want to say the room they used to replicate the Saturn V rocket taking off utilized 8 18'' EV subwoofers. They actually bragged about it, and I was just getting into audio. Left quite an impression on me.

-now i have a reason to stop in there!
 
Well, it's NASA, so it might have been Johnny Cash or even some German 'oom-pa-pa' sort of thing if it was one of the scientists/physicists we plucked out of Europe at the end of WWII.

"Yah, vee valk und vee talk on zee moon."

Imagine what it looks like on the other side of that wall. All those drivers? Must be a fortune poured into that rig. I don't imagine it would be my kind of thing though. Probably all horn drivers. I think I'll keep my cone-tweeters. Besides, that panel would never fit in my living room. They should call it a "damn-near-infinite-baffle" design.

Yeah I thought of that too - some NASA dude playing uber-geek music on his downtime, or trying to find the right frequency to crack the skin of the latest $14 million space gizmo at 160+ dB.

I had pix of the room behind the wall, but must have cleared them off the HDD. :sigh: It's pretty wild to say the least.
 
Did I see someone suggest listening to "nickleback" as a good test of bass performance for reals? :saywhat: SMH... To each their own, but come on, suggesting anyone listen to nickleback is just not good audio karma... :lmao:

Seriously though I have A/D/S L710's running through my Onkyo M504 right now which I love! The bass is tight and clean, goes quite deep. The mids and the highs are pure A/D/S awesomeness. Also have a pair of L570/2's and some Rectilinear XIa's 2 ways with larger woofers which, again, I also love. Its all personal preference, you have to listen to them and find what you like! The buying and selling is half the fun and adventure!
 
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