Rca Photophone pk-1 amplifier and pa-77 pre

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I have recently come into a very rare vintage rca photophone system that dates to around 1929 the only info I have been able to find on the unit is from vinage catalogs and books. All of them seem to regard the amplifier as the best and most popular of it's time. It is a huge beast of an amp weighing around 150 lbs. It uses two ux 250 tubes in a push pull, 2 ux 281 tubes and has 4 large dry chenical rectifiers (field supply). I am hoping someone has some info on this beautiful piece of equipment.
 
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that sounds VERY cool . . . I have its great grandchild the MI-9359 :D

if no-one can help you here, you may want to ask over at Oswald's Mill - they are huge RCA theater nuts . . .
 
Yes that amp is for driving a stage speaker. The large dry rectifiers (like selinium rectifiers, although I think they are copper oxide) are for powering the field-coil magnet on the speaker. The amp is just one stage of push-pull using 2 type 50 tubes, which were almost obsolete by 1929. Transformer input, transformer output, no other parts in the signal path. You would need a preamp to feed a signal to this, and I would be very sceptical of it making hifi sound. It is a no feedback design, and I would suspect distortion in the range of 2% to 5%..which would be considered good at that time. The early motion picture soundtracks were fairly limited in frequency range. Very little filtration in the B+ supply because big electrolytic capacitors did not exist then. The design relied on the poor bass frequency response of the speaker for minimizing hum. There is at least one choke. Tube filaments are AC. The 50 is a directly heated triode, very hard to drive..but was one of the most powerful audio triodes available at that time, before the 300b. The only way to get more power then was to use transmitting triodes, which Western Electric did in some commercial amps. I am estimating your amp puts out about 10 Watts. It is a giant chassis.

We need photos please.

RCA came out with a competing theatre sound system to the Western Electric system, and they both existed side-by-side for several decades. RCA developed the variable-area sound recording system for movies, and Western Electric used the variable density system. Of course your amp is for playback..but just a little history on the systems.
 
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Here is a little excerpt from the book projecting sound pictures written in 1931 as well as those pictures you guys wanted.
"This amplifier embodies within itself nearly all amplifier circuits there are. It has transformer and capacitative coupling between tubes, two different methods of furnishing grid bias and it incorporates within itself a complete rectifier from which B voltages, as needed by the different tubes are secured by means of tapping a series of resistances between the output of the rectifier and ground."

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really nice looking speaker but I think that was a little later.
I found a drawing from an old 1930s photophone catalog as well as some more info:
The Type PK-1 Power Amplifier Unit.-This unit is used in the Types PG-3, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 10 equipments. The output of the voltage amplifier is transformer coupled to a pair of UX-250 power Radiotrons connected in a push-pull circuit, and the output of this amplifier is transformer coupled to the stage and monitor speakers.

All of the filament, plate, and grid voltages are supplied from a power supply unit which operates directly from a 110-volt 60-cycle supply, hence its designation of SPU, or socket power unit. In the power supply unit, two UX-281 Radiotrons are used to rectify the high alternating voltage from the power transformer. This rectified voltage supplies the high DC voltage for the plates and the lower DC voltage for the grids of the UX-250 Radiotrons. The power transformer also supplies low voltage AC for the filaments of the UX-250 and the UX-281 Radiotrons.

Incorporated in the same unit with the rectifier and amplifier is a Rectox rectifying unit which is used to supply the necessary DC power for the fields of the stage speakers. This amplifier unit, with its field power supply unit, is shown in Figure 95.


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A couple of used 281's won't brake the bank ,but a pair of 250's would , you could use a pair of 210's Vt25's or VT52 specials all 7.5 volt filaments .A pair of 6A3's with a couple of droping resistors would be the most reasonable or 6B4's with droping resistors in adapter sockets .
A pair of .6 ohm 2 watt resistors would be needed per 6A3 on on each side of the filament to keep it ballanced
If you need some 247's or 224's PM me
 
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yeah it might be more work than I want to put in. Also I am really not a home audio guy. Im more of a studio guy but I thought this thing looked really cool and still kinda want to see what it can do but a friend of mine told me he saw a similar early thirties photophone on ebay bring a small fortune so i might have to sell these and put the money into a pair of tube compressors or something fun like that.
 
Yes, there are collectors for such equipment. I think I have a schematic on the power amp I could scan and post if there is interest. I have myself an old Western Electric theatre amp, uses 205D tubes. Very similar concept though.
 
I would like to see the schematic , the section with the 280 and the 247's looks a lot like an RCA Radiola 280 power amp chassis .
 
yeah it might be more work than I want to put in. Also I am really not a home audio guy. Im more of a studio guy but I thought this thing looked really cool and still kinda want to see what it can do but a friend of mine told me he saw a similar early thirties photophone on ebay bring a small fortune so i might have to sell these and put the money into a pair of tube compressors or something fun like that.

It definitely has collector value but unfortunately is worth only a small fraction of what WE ERPI gear is worth....which is still something.

Most of this stuff was destroyed in the 1950s and 1960s. The survival rate on RCA may have been a little higher than for WE because it was sold outright and not lease only.
 
I have recently come into a very rare vintage rca photophone system that dates to around 1929 the only info I have been able to find on the unit is from vinage catalogs and books. All of them seem to regard the amplifier as the best and most popular of it's time. It is a huge beast of an amp weighing around 150 lbs. It uses two ux 250 tubes in a push pull, 2 ux 281 tubes and has 4 large dry chenical rectifiers (field supply). I am hoping someone has some info on this beautiful piece of equipment.
 
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