Reissue MC275 question

wgrr

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I have decided to go with a reissue MC275 and I am starting to get serious about finding one.

If I could find a nice original MC275, that would be fine to, because I can rebuild it if needed and repair it if there is a problem. The only problem is, I am only interested in mint fresh off the line quality.

What is throwing me off is the different releasesof the second generation MC275. There was the original reissue that came out around 94. Then the GW Commemorative that sold from 97 to 98. The one I am most interested in is the 99 release known as the "stainless. I can get one in a factory sealed box. It looks like the MK IV retail price dropped considerably. MKV I don't know much about.

Everything remaining equal in a system, do you think I would hear any major differences in the different 275's.

I am not a snob. I tend to keep systems for many years and they have to look good. Rat audio equipment is not my thing.
 
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MkV. While all are rated the same, in real life it makes more power due to the upgraded power supply. Better terminals, no added circuitry for gain controls. Loved mine. Should have kept it.
 
Here is a letter that I saved and got somewhere (probably here) from the late great Frank Gow on the Mc275 and its reissues. Maybe it will be of some use to you. I find it interesting, that is why I kept it:

"The Commerative version is an updated adaptation of the original MC275 with balanced inputs as well as single ended inputs, PC board design vs. point-to-point wiring used in the original mc275 and built on a chrome plated chassis. These were limited production which caused considerable annoyance with customers who were not aware of the limited offering.

Subsequently, the factory introduced the MC275-SS Stainless Steel chassis version of the MC275-II without the Gordon Gow commerative badge. This was offered for a few years to pacify customers who missed out on the limited production Gordon Gow Commerative Edition. This was the same product design as the Commerative Edition MC275. They also made a very, very limited production in gold for approximately 200 units, of which most went to Japan.

As a result of the better than anticipated success of the tube product, McIntosh decided to make the 50th Anniversary MC2000 130 wpc dual mono designed by Sidney Corderman, one of the founders and long-time VP of Engineering @ McIntosh. This also was a limited production design with less than 800 units made. This was priced @ $15k and not everybody was able to purchase such a high priced tribute to McIntosh history. This was followed by the MC2102, a cost reduced version of the MC2000 using a common mode power supply @ 130 wpc which found incredible success.

At this point, McIntosh realized there was a need to commit to tube designs as the demand was continuing to grow by significant amounts. We had also pressured them to make a companion preamp better than the C22-II Frank McIntosh Commerative, an updated version of the original C22. This was offered during the time of the MC275-SS. Finally they introduced the C2200 current model preamp with meters, remote control, etc. to far exceed the performance of the C22 & C22-II Commerative models.

Demand still persisted for the MC275 to be available which lead to a redesign of the MC275-II & -SS versions. The current MC275-MK-IV, V or MK-V as now referred to, offered a major improvement with a 490 v power supply vs. 450 in the Commerative and Stainless editions. McIntosh also added more laminations in the output transformers which increased the bass performance over the original designs. All shiny chassis units are now highly polished stainless steel which eliminates the cracking and corrosion problems associated with chrome. The power supply improvements contributed to better dynamic expression and a more robust bass character. So far, this has proved to be the best sounding and compares very favorably against the MC2000 & MC2102 despite their having higher power.

Today, the best results seem to be provided by using the C2200 preamp and MC275-MK-IV, V or VI. The MK-IV came with gold small spade screw terminals, no gain control with balanced and single ended connections and power on/off switch. The MK-V changed the speaker terminals to 5-way plastic binding posts. The MK-VI changed the plastic binding posts to gold metal WBT style connectors. Circuits for all these are the same. McIntosh still lists this as the MC275 and makes no model distinction regarding the production changes implemented with the speaker terminals.

I realize this was lengthy but thought it might be helpful to have the evolution as well as technical changes and benefits associated with them. Let me know if you have more questions or need additional information. Thank you for the opportunity to be of service."

Best wishes,
Frank Gow - Sr. Sales Consultant



Well, there you go...
 
Thanks CountD, that is the info I was looking for. It looks like Mr. Gow recommended that the MK IV, V, or VI is the best match up for the C2200 I will be using.

The MC2102 is not out of the picture. I would just have to come up with more coin.
 
Thanks CountD, that is the info I was looking for. It looks like Mr. Gow recommended that the MK IV, V, or VI is the best match up for the C2200 I will be using.

The MC2102 is not out of the picture. I would just have to come up with more coin.
I purchased MC275MkV(s) and MC2200 from Frank Gow. When I got new speakers and needed more bass I contacted Frank and ask about the MC2102. He was of the opinion I would not be happy with the MC2102 if I liked the MC275. I tired one anyway and sent it back after a few weeks. He was correct. If you eventually feel you need more power, get a second MC275.
 
I purchased MC275MkV(s) and MC2200 from Frank Gow. When I got new speakers and needed more bass I contacted Frank and ask about the MC2102. He was of the opinion I would not be happy with the MC2102 if I liked the MC275. I tired one anyway and sent it back after a few weeks. He was correct. If you eventually feel you need more power, get a second MC275.

Thanks for the real world advice. It is sad that I am getting such good advice from Frank Gow posthumously. Since I will be driving Khorns 75 wpc is overkill anyway. Khonrs are happy with a 2.5 wpc SET amp.

When I heard the MC275 Commemorative for the first time, I knew the MC275 was for me, and it has taken 14 years to get there. Getting the MC275 will finally end the agony and suffering of having to put up with the MC40's, and their predecessor an MC300, for all those long years.:D
 
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I got to spend 2 days with Frank the fall before his demise. A great person that really knew and understood Mac products, but more importantly he understood other product lines as well and could relate their sound and value to the potential buyer honestly. As we had both been in the industry for along while we spent many hours on the phone having great laughs about the industry we so loved with all its trials, tribulations, ups, downs and sideways. After 30 years of coasting along he helped me up date my stereo system and integrate it with my HT system. We agreed about many things and laughed our way through many serious discussions about system components and the direction of the industry. He is missed by all that new him and loved sound. If you want a tube preamp with a great phono tube pre-amp section, consider his Mac C2200 addition just released with his name on the front panel. If you want the phono section from a C-500 get the C-2300. TWI
 
TWI, I have Frank Gow's favorite McIntosh preamp, the C2200, already. I am looking for an amp to go with it.

A fellow AK'er turned me on to a pair of new MC75's that have damage to one of the transformers. I am trying to work a deal. I may have low balled the OBO. They are going for half the original retail price.

The beauty is I also restore classic Mercedes, Porchse (911/930), and Jags when I have time. A good friend graciously lets me use his shop and paint booth. I could have that tranny looking factory fresh, in no time, if I get them. I am not a big fan of gold plating but I guess I could suffer through it.:yes:
 
Wgrr, not to derail your thread, but as a classic car lover (I'm a contributing writer to Sports Car Market), I'd enjoy seeing some of your restoration work.

I grew up with Alfas, Healeys, Jags, BMWs, Mercs, etc. back in the early 80's in south Mississippi. But that's another story/thread.
 
I have the mc275 mk-v and looking at getting the Mc75 pair to replace it. But its hard to let it go because it sounds so damn good.
 
Does anybody know what Frank meant by saying if you liked the MC275 you might not like the MC2102?
 
Does anybody know what Frank meant by saying if you liked the MC275 you might not like the MC2102?
Yes...... FrankG felt the power supply/transformers did not have the capacity to handle the four (4) KT-88s per channel in the MC2102 as well as in the MC275. My experience was that the lows and sound-stage suffered as a result. After a couple of months of tube rolling, etc., I sent the MC2102 back for a pair of MC275s. They were also not as good as a single MC275. Took about $500 in shipping costs over six months to discover that FrankG had very similar ears/tastes to mine. Perhaps is was because we were the same age.
 
MC75 vs MC275

There are some major sonic differences between the MC75 and MC275, so if you are considering the MC75 as an alternative to the MC275 you should really listen before you buy.
Regards,
Tom
 
There are some major sonic differences between the MC75 and MC275, so if you are considering the MC75 as an alternative to the MC275 you should really listen before you buy.
Regards,
Tom
My ears do not agree with this statement if you are talking about the 60th Anniversary MC75s. When I replaced my MC275MkV with a pair of new MC75s I only found a slightly better bass extension and perhaps a little be more detail on the top. Nothing huge at all. Going back to the MC275 would not have been a problem for me.
 
My ears do not agree with this statement if you are talking about the 60th Anniversary MC75s. When I replaced my MC275MkV with a pair of new MC75s I only found a slightly better bass extension and perhaps a little be more detail on the top. Nothing huge at all. Going back to the MC275 would not have been a problem for me.

That's very good info because I am on the fence about selling my mc275 and get the Mc75 60th.
 
The MC75s will go nicely with your C22 60th and are rapidly becoming collector amps (unless, they re-release them). For the $2K difference am not sure I do so again. But, that said, they are the amps of all I've ever owned that I wish I had kept.
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