Rudy Van Gelder editions vs. remasters

I was online looking up some jazz cds and saw a review that talked about Rudy Van Gelder remasters. Said that the remasters are great but that, for the most part, cds marked "RVG edition" are not well done. I've read some negative stuff about the RVG editions and am wondering if there are truly two different Rudy Van Gelder remixes or if someone is just confused. Can anyone clarify?
 
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From what I can gather, it's a crap shoot. I have one with a drop-off in it, but another that doesn't have any problems at all. Both sound good, but your mileage may vary, as they say.
 
There are 16 bit RVG remasters and then there are RVG remasters which are 24 bit. There sound basicly ims are great,my stereo is very tubey sounding and my Vandersteens are rolled off so I don't get the harshness some systems produce. For me it was always the vocals that sounded unnatural when the first CD's were coming out,but most Blue Note jazz CD's have no vocals. I have original RVG Cd's which some people prefer and the rvg 16 and the 24 bit remasters and they all sound fine.
 
There are Blue Note RVG's and Prestige (and associated labels) RVG's. The former are a mixed bag...some especially the later ones are very good and some are not quite as good. The Prestige RVG's are mostly outstanding IMO. The more recent and better your CD player the better they all sound. Seems that the sub 1k playback gear is just now catching up with these remasters.
 
All my RVG remasters sound great with some slight sonic variations from disc to disc, but nothing that I find unacceptable. However, you can't be Blue Note jazz on vinyl; even the 70's blue lable reissues are great pressings and very affordable when you can find them used. ($8 - $10) :music:
 
RVG has made a huge contribution to recorded sound, particularly in the house sound for the classic Blue Note period from the 1950's into the 1960's. As I understand it what made his approach different was both mic placement and a tendency to record hotter than was generally done at the time. Having said that, I am skeptical that RVG would be physically up the challenge of remastering today. Not that he doesn't have the knowledge and skill, but he has 88 year old ears. Sorry folks, some things just aren't built to last and no one is spared from hearing deterioration over time. Just my two cents. And I still buy cd's remastered by RVG without much complaint, but I am convinced the job should be in the hands of someone younger. At this point in time "RVG remastered" is, to me, sort of marketing gimmick.
 
I've only got a few, but when listening to them, I'm always astounded at how great a recording from ~50 years ago can sound. Rudy was a master at mic placement!
 
RVG has made a huge contribution to recorded sound, particularly in the house sound for the classic Blue Note period from the 1950's into the 1960's. As I understand it what made his approach different was both mic placement and a tendency to record hotter than was generally done at the time. Having said that, I am skeptical that RVG would be physically up the challenge of remastering today. Not that he doesn't have the knowledge and skill, but he has 88 year old ears. Sorry folks, some things just aren't built to last and no one is spared from hearing deterioration over time. Just my two cents. And I still buy cd's remastered by RVG without much complaint, but I am convinced the job should be in the hands of someone younger. At this point in time "RVG remastered" is, to me, sort of marketing gimmick.

Interesting points Tom.

I would like to add that another attribute to Rudy's work was his ability to "equalize" all of the instruments in the mix. He brought a really nice democratic presentation to his recordings. He also solved alot of the issues around piano, getting rid of that glassy high end (which some people don't like about him).

Many artists couldn't stand him, and some would flat out not work with him, Mingus being one. Mingus thought that Rudy homogenized an artists sound. I have read that Johnny Griffin and him did not agree on much either.

As far as his ability to hear, I would have to disagree with you. Some of his best recordings have been in the last 10 years or so. Check out Houston Person's output on Highnote, nicely rep'd on The Art and Soul. Sublime, top level hifi.

Even if his hearing had deteriorated, his contribution is mostly in the fact that he knew all of these artists, and what they wanted to achieve in the studio. Some of the original recordings are more from the perspective of the producer. Take Alfred Lion for instance. Yes, he was always concerned about his artists' ideas, but at the end of the day, the music had to be able to represent his label the way he saw fit. This is why so many amazing sessions were shelved.

Quite often RVG will unlock some of the artists ideas that he recalls from the sessions, into the newer remasters. Frankly I think the "RVG Edition" is a mark of quality and in some cases, a different perspective.

My 2 cents...
 
I was online looking up some jazz cds and saw a review that talked about Rudy Van Gelder remasters. Said that the remasters are great but that, for the most part, cds marked "RVG edition" are not well done. I've read some negative stuff about the RVG editions and am wondering if there are truly two different Rudy Van Gelder remixes or if someone is just confused. Can anyone clarify?

No. There is one remastered album. The RVG Edition is a series of remasters featuring Rudy Van Gelder at the board. This doesn't mean it's the first time the album has seen new life, they fiddled with many of them for the original CD transfers (many with drab results).

Jazz fans are a fickle bunch. There is no sub topic without a debate. You need to select a few titles that interest you and decide for yourself. Of course, the original vinyl is where it's at but you need to sell your body for months at a time to afford just one title.

Hope this helps.
 
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