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"So, are these still Klipsch speakers?"

My father is a retired farmer in Iowa. He has a 1948 Model B that's roughly analogous to the 1957 experimental Heresy: small and primitive. He had a JD 9400 Articulated tractor that's not unlike the Jubilees: large, powerful, but not overly technologically complicated, electronically. His Combine, however, is as if you'd combined the size of their pro speakers with the electronics of the wireless, self-powered and home theater systems, and then some. It beat Tesla to the punch for self driving tech and is so digitally integrated that it plots maps of crop yields down to the square meter.
 
I think at some point it becomes "inspired by Klipsch". But I always do keep all original parts in case I sell, so the buyer can take things back to stock if they choose.
 
Gigantic said:
My modified H700 Heresy speakers are still Klipsch, because the cabinets, squawkers and networks were made by Klipsch, even if the whole thing has been heavily modified by me. Ironically, I don't regard the Super Heresies that I'm currently building to be Klipsch, even if they use many of the same parts. I'm building the cabinets with significant deviations from stock, the motor boards are from Crites, Tweeters from @Daveintn, woofers are Eminence and only the Squawkers and Autoformers, Inductors and the Terminal Blocks are from Klipsch; the overall gestalt of the design owes a lot to Paul Wilbur Klipsch, but it's been altered so much from stock that it's also a @ClaudeJ1 design, too. They're certainly inspired by and derived from Klipsch, but they're not Klipsch speakers.
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It is somewhat amusing that after the Super Heresy's gained real traction that the H4's were born. 30 of us went to an event in Hope where we got to listen to the CW4's and H4's well before they were released to the public. Darned if the H4's didn't sound like the Super Heresy's and had that lovely back side port. And a new tweeter. I believe all the modification threads popping up on the Klipsch forum were in part directly responsible for forcing change to happen much faster then the typical glacial speed at which Klipsch normally improves things. Thinking of La Scalas here where it only took 30 some years before they addressed the side wall resonance problem. Somewhere on the forum lurks a picture of PWK and right behind him is a La Scala with a mid brace on the dog house to side wall but somehow never implemented. I wonder how many good ideas PWK had that bean counters over the years have shot down. I know he hated MDF, or so I have been told by long time Klipsch lovers.

The CW is another one and it had a boomy box sound in the CW1 and 2. Now there were pro gear speakers of the same time frame that had front to back side braces so yes Klipsch knew these braces would kill boomy box problems and was a direct admittance that this was a problem. Finally from what I have been told the CW3 did incorporate those braces. I have never seen a set so I have to take peoples word on this. I did see the CW4's though and there were two braces above the woofer at the 10:00 and 2:00 positions about 2" outside of the woofer cutout. All of these changes were of course modifications which is quite amusing. The CW4 is a most excellent speaker but Roy had to modify the tweeter, ports, crossover, midrange horn and driver, cabinet design around the tweeters and finally the acoustic foam placement to get the CW4 to be what it is. It is vindication of all the mods CW owners have done for years is it not?
 
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Daveintn said:
It is somewhat amusing that after the Super Heresy's gained real traction that the H4's were born. 30 of us went to an event in Hope where we got to listen to the CW4's and H4's well before they were released to the public. Darned if the H4's didn't sound like the Super Heresy's and had that lovely back side port. And a new tweeter. I believe all the modification threads popping up on the Klipsch forum were in part directly responsible for forcing change to happen much faster then the typical glacial speed at which Klipsch normally improves things. Thinking of La Scalas here where it only took 30 some years before they addressed the side wall resonance problem. Somewhere on the forum lurks a picture of PWK and right behind him is a La Scala with a mid brace on the dog house to side wall but somehow never implemented. I wonder how many good ideas PWK had that bean counters over the years have shot down. I know he hated MDF, or so I have been told by long time Klipsch lovers.

The CW is another one and it had a boomy box sound in the CW1 and 2. Now there were pro gear speakers of the same time frame that had front to back side braces so yes Klipsch knew these braces would kill boomy box problems and was a direct admittance that this was a problem. Finally from what I have been told the CW3 did incorporate those braces. I have never seen a set so I have to take peoples word on this. I did see the CW4's though and there were two braces above the woofer at the 10:00 and 2:00 positions about 2" outside of the woofer cutout. All of these changes were of course modifications which is quite amusing. The CW4 is a most excellent speaker but Roy had to modify the tweeter, ports, crossover, cabinet design around the tweeters and finally the acoustic foam placement to get the CW4 to be what it is. It is vindication of all the mods CW owners have done for years is it not?
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That's heresy.
 
Pointing the finger at myself, I hesitate to call a HEAVILY modded Klipsch speaker Klipsch.

On the other hand, if I see Model A coupe with a small block Chevy engine, 700R4 trans, Mustang II front suspension, Jag rear end, etc., I still call it a Model A.

All a matter of perspective, I guess.:thumbsup:
 
IMO, if the drivers & horns are still klipsch but someone decides to upgrade to better quality capacitors or diaphragms, they are definitely still klipsch speakers... only better!

Just like any product that is mass produced by a company in business to make a profit, almost any part can be improved over the bean counter cost restricted parts that company uses. Pick almost anything you can think of that meets the above criteria, and it can almost always be improved from stock form. The automotive analogy is a perfect example, Harley Davidson motorcycles or any make of consumer vehicles- adding better shocks than the stock ones will improve the ride quality/handling, better mufflers will increase the performance and horsepower of the engine, better speakers than the crappy stock ones will improve the sound, so on and so on. Every aspect can be upgraded and improved... could you imagine if a Ford engineer threatened to ban anyone that changed the mufflers on a mustang?! LOL!
 
Can't say that I'm surprised one bit at how things changed over at the Klipsch forum. Think about it.....for years there, lifelong Klipsch owners and new Klipsch owners constantly.....and I mean constantly.....stating their opinion and situation of how their specific Klipsch model has this or that failure. Not to mention the endless criticism of how Klipsch can sound ear piercing, shouty, boomy, harsh, cheap, too forward in the mids etc. etc. etc.

My KLF-30's have virtually everything upgraded in them except the horns and the cabinet. The cabinet has some additional bracing added but nothing drastic. I still call them Klipsch. Same values in the crossovers. Same Klipsch sound......just better without the typical criticisms surrounding Klipsch. They sound fricken phenomenal. I did two pair and I'm taking them to the grave.

Interesting how the Cornwall IV's evolved. They're a great sounding speaker now.
 
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