Socket cleaning?

LotusFool

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I was thinking about cleaning the sockets my tubes sit in. The amp is a 1968 McIntosh MC225 so the sockets are 51 years old and I would think "tarnished". I do clean the pins of my tubes every two years. I set them in a little container of Deoxit and it does make the pins shinny and I'm pretty sure I hear an improvement afterwards. I would think this is something like a no-brainer to do, but I don't recall reading anything about it.

If you do this please let me know how, and how often. Or if it is a bad idea.
Thanks,
Gary
 
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I think it is a good idea but not sure what the right frequency should be.

Here's how I do it. I use the tube pins, 100% DeOxit and then I work the tube in and out of the socket a few times.

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I use the dental brushes too, but no deoxit. I don't think that it is a good idea considering the high temperatures that tubes can get. I just use contact cleaner before brushing, then a follow up squirt of contact cleaner after, to blow out any particulates. I realize that some sellers recommend the deoxit treatment but it is worthwhile to know that the military when they had only tube equipment with their unlimited budget and the best scientist and engineers of the day researching all the problems with tube gear, never advocated the use of any treatments to the pins of the tube sockets.
 
You can put a dip of DeoxIT on dental brush, and then a Zero residue contact cleaner to remove traces of DeoxIT.
 
I've elsewhere explained this, but it can't find it to link to it.

Here's my writeup which I saved in case the question was again asked.

I. Why Remove Corrosion from Contacts?

Corrosion increases resistance or creates semiconductors with peculiar and non-linear, properties. Sulfides and oxides are semiconductors. Metal oxides were the first diodes, and one may construct a radio using a homemade metal oxide, including a rusty razor blade. Corrosion is consequently not a benign layer, but given that we live in a corrosive environment filled with oxygen and sulfur we must find ways to remove it.

II. Abrasives Can and Will DAMAGE or DESTROY the Metal Plating on Contacts

Plating on electrical connectors is most commonly tin, but is sometimes nickel, silver, gold, or rhodium. Silver, while harder and having lower electrical resistance, forms oxides and sulfides which act as semiconductors and insulators. Gold is softer than silver and readily abrades away, and is a poorer conductor than silver, but it does not readily combine with oxygen or sulfur. It is therefore used to passivate and seal the surface and thereby prevent corrosion.

Any significant abrasive—knife blade, pencil erasers, sandpaper, emory paper, steel wool, abrasive plastic pads (tradename Scotchbrite), wire brush, desoldering braid, etc.—will damage, degrade, or even completely remove the pin's plating, reducing electrical conductivity (increasing resistance) and increasing corrosion over time. The deep scratches will also create a rough surface which will further abrade the interior of the individual receptacles in the tube socket, damaging pins as they are inserted or removed.

So using any abrasive on the thin plating layer will damage or destroy it, creating more problems for the future than it currently solves.

The solution to removing corrosion is safe, simple, and effective:
(1) a cleaner which complexes the corrosion. DeOxIt (see below) is such a cleaner.
(2) very mild metal polish which combines the complexing agent form (1) with a mild abrasive.​

III. Ingredients in Metal Cleaners and Metal Polish

Metal cleaners and polish are made from simple and generally safe ingredients:
(1) Optionally a mild Acid (commonly citric, sulfamic, oxalic, etc.) to break up the corrosion—metal oxides, salts, and sulfides—by removing the metal ions and permitting complexing into something soluble which can be washed away. Without an acid of some sort the cleaner will not be able to remove thicker or harder layers of corrosion.​

(2) A surfactant (wetting agent), detergent (cleaning agent), or chelating agent (metal complexer) to (a) form a soluble metallic soap with the removed metal ions such that the soap will dissolve in the carrier, and (b) make the polish spreadable across a metal surface by reducing the carrier's surface tension. The stearate is commonly oleic acid (olive oil and the main ingredient in human fat), palmitic acid (palm oil), stearic acid (vegetable oils and animal fat), etc. The common chelator is EDTA which, as a bonus, further acts as a water softener by complexing the calcium and magnesium.

(3) Solvent carrier (water or petroleum, typically deodorized kerosene or naptha), usually with some petroleum solvent or organic solvent like acetone to better dissolve and remove any polymerized (crosslinked) oils and other dirt, including monomer (the building block for polymers)

(4) Optionally, fine abrasive to assist in gently breaking up the hard oxide layer without removing significant material from the surface.

(5) Optionally, an anti-corrosion additive, such as a chelating agent like EDTA, or benzotriazole (BTA), to bind to the metal and prevent future corrosion. The EDTA, again, is also being used as a water softener and chelator for the corrosion, so it serves multiple purposes at no extra cost.​

The remaining ingredients tend to be thickeners and pH adjusters.

IV. Ingredients in DeOxIt

DeOxIt is a combination of stearic acids (oleic and palmitic), again to dissolve and solubilize the metal corrosion, in a hydrocarbon carrier. It's non-abrasive and likely relies upon the mechanical force of the contacts moving against each other, potentially plus dissolved material as an abrasive, to help break up the corrosion layer. It doesn't contain a mild acid to remove metal ions.

The fancier DeOxIT Gold adds Difluoroethane to the mix. Chloroflurocarbons are wonderful solvents, which is why industry used them for decades, just letting them evaporate after use and thereby destroying the ozone layer. Difluoroethane is not seriously ozone depleting, well, not as bad as the CFCs it replaced, and photodegrades in a few years, more or less, and is often used as a relatively safe propellant and cleaning solvent, as long as it is not deliberately concentrated and inhaled.

Because DeOxIt doesn't contain an abrasive, it tends to need some mechanical force to assist in removing hardened corrosion from pins. Again, this is normally provided by the friction of the switch contacts making and breaking as the switch is moved.

The solvents carrier is volatile and does not long linger after application.

So the heat from a tube is not going to cause any problems. Any residual stearate left on the contact will simply evaporate from the heat.

The mechanical force to insert the pin is likely high enough that in a tight socket no cleaner remains between the socket and the pin.

V. Purpose of Abrasives

Adding a mild abrasive helps to break up the hard surface of the salts, oxides, and sulfides so they may better complex with the stearate and be removed.

This is why the Nev-R-Dull wadding polish uses a more abrasive cutting agent to faster remove corrosion. It is also why museums won't use it to polish metal objects, as the abrasive removes surface material, not merely the undesired corrosion.

Whenever a metal surface has been roughed up it will have a dull appearance because the light scatters in the fine scratches. Think jewelry, silverware (solid or plated), metal trays, or aluminum car rims. Using a very fine abrasive permits the polishing of plated surfaces to a smooth (bright surface) by smoothing the edges of fine scratches and removing some material to smooth the surface.

VI. Conclusion TL/DR

Cleaners like DeOxIt will remove light corrosion, but this requires physically working the contacts. These cleaners will not polish the surface, i.e. remove fine scratches or smooth the edges, smoothing the transition between switch states.

Corrosion is sometimes thick and hard, and thus difficult to remove. In such circumstance a little abrasive goes a long, long way to making the connector bright and shiny, with excellent electrical properties. Electrical connectors can be cleaned using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish or the 3M Mag and Aluminum Polish, or the very similar 3M Chrome and Metal Polish. Blue Magic is similar, but not as effective. I then suggest cleaning with a lightweight solvent, such as the CituSolve (tradename for limonene) which is a terpene derived from citrus rinds, to remove any residue.

My experience has been the three polishes I above listed three work better than the common household polishes like Noxon or Brasso, or the Gorham Silver Polish. All of which I have in my house, BTW. The Noxon and Brasso will generally not deliver the same mirror bright finish that the Mother's Mag, 3M, and Blue Magic can create.

I inherited some silver which had not been polished in decades, and the sulfides and oxides were so hard it was impossible to remove with Gorham, Noxon, or Brasso, at least not without substantial effort. The Mother's and 3M easily removed it and left the surface mirror bright as if brand new. I have similarly polished silver contacts in rotary switches. The resulting contacts were shiny and immeasurably low resistance on my multimeter, unlike when I started.

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I realize that some sellers recommend the deoxit treatment but it is worthwhile to know that the military when they had only tube equipment with their unlimited budget and the best scientist and engineers of the day researching all the problems with tube gear, never advocated the use of any treatments to the pins of the tube sockets.

Ummm, that's not an accurate statement. A lot of audiophiles repeat such claims, as well as the related claim that the military or a manufacturer suggested repeated insertion of tubes into the socket to clean the socket's pins (a claim which you did not mention, but which should also be debunked), which is where I assume you picked it up. But it's not true; the military had specific guides to treat every contact including tube sockets, because corrosion prevented equipment from proper functioning.

The US military always had significant problems with humidity causing fungus to grow on and inside equipment, particularly tube gear, including the contacts, and corrosion facilitated by moisture. It was a big, big problem for all of the services, everything from aircraft equipment to radios and transmitters and RADAR units. The Navy had extra problems because of the continual exposure to salt air.

The US military specifications for cleaning electronics—including tube sockets!—specify cleaning with an acid (metal brightener), followed by a detergent, followed by baking to remove the moisture. Tube sockets were cleaned with an acid, aka "metal brightener".

For example, here's one guide I have in my collection (NB: the OCR on this was horrible as the photocopy is terrible, so I manually fixed the errors; some may remain):
AVIONICS, CORROSION CONTROL STUDY
Bendix Field Engineering Corporation
January 1974​

It is customary to dedicate one area to precleaning functions and to utilize both mechanical and chemical techniques for application of treatments (after stripping) to the heavier mechanical elements of the avionic systems, such as covers, chassis, housings. etc. Mechanical methods serve to remove all particulate types of contamination through the use of power brushing, abrasive wheel grinding, and various forms of blasting, with sand, vapor grit, or glass bead. Chemical treatment consists of processes involving acid- and base-type (alkaline) cleaners. Such items as a highly caustic cleaner for ferrous alloys, inhibited alkaline cleaner for aluminum alloys, passivation (nitric acid) for stainless steels, and nitric acid baths for aluminum cleaning, plus the usual muriatic and phosphorous acid cleaning solutions, may be employed.

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Rotary switches require two cleanings: one to remove dirt and oil-base lubricants from the mechanical assemblies and insulating materials, and the second a brightener-type bath to remove oxidation from the electrical contacts. it is extremely important that the brightener baths be completely removed with water; otherwise the brightener bath will, in itself, produce severe corrosion. The switches should then be thoroughly dried. If it Is not convenient to use the bath, some good spray cleaners are available in the Federal inventory. They should be sprayed on the contact points, then dried with forced air. Little can be done to clean toggle-type switches or other semisealed types; if corroded or otherwise damaged, they should be replaced. Switch and switch-shaft boots accumulating. and seals can be used as necessary to prevent dirt and moisture from ,

Multipin connectors cause some of the most costly repairs in the avionic maintenance business. Bendix Flight Group operational history in this area shows continuous problems with pressure-seal bulkhead connectors. Moisture is forced into the connector cases, and corrosion starts. Connectors have been completely ruined by corrosion in less then 3 months. The only true repair in the area is to replace the connector. Many forms of sealing and potting of connectors have been tried, and potting seems to be the best method; however, there are times in aircraft maintenance when potting is undesirable. All avionic unit connectors should be checked each time they are opened. There are too many different types of connectors to list them all, but most of the procedures for cleaning serve for ali types. Fungus growth between connector pins and on connector insert material can cause degradation in insulation resistance between pins, contribute to an increase in leakage currents, and possibly to the loss of signals caused by contact resistance and arc-over between pins. These items generally suffer from severe corrosion because of their physical locations. Those that show signs of corrosion may be cleaned with detergent bath. Beyond that, little can be done short of replacement. Complete cleaning, thorough drying, and potting may be used to provide some degree of protection. Tube sockets also are a frequent source of problems; they respond very well to the "brightener" treatment.

Corrosion of the silver-plated contact arms and mating surfaces of relays is often caused by exposure to salt atmosphere and other hostile environments. All relays of the open-construction type should be inspected whenever the equipment is being serviced. During equipment refurbishment, varnish may accidentally be deposited on the armature, pivots or similar components and may cause the relays to bind. The whole relay should be carefully masked until after the spraying has been completed. A brush should be used to coat the coils and leads after the masking has been removed. Relays with palladium-tipped contacts should be removed entirely before application of varnish to a unit.

Relays require special treatment. They may be cleaned with the detergent bath to remove dust and dirt. However, contacts at best may be burnished with an appropriate tool, never filed or sanded to present a "clean" appearance. Filing or sanding that points removes the hard plating and exposes the soft base metal. A relay so treated will perform for only a short period of time. If burnishing does not clean the contact, replace the relay to provide dependable operation.

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I'm not sure if you have an encyclopedic memory or just spend a lot of time researching stuff, but you sure do have a wide array of useful technical sources at your disposal.

Mostly crammed in my head, enough that I know where to look to fill in the details. 10,000 hour rule, and all that. Probably more than that since I don't follow sports, hang out in bars, or watch much television. One could recreate civilization from my printed technical library, which was painstakingly assembled over decades. Whenever I meet people with mad skillz I have them to teach me. Years ago two old-school union plasterers taught me how to do lime plastering for walls, a skill which has proven quite useful given the dilapidated state of older city apartments.

Whenever I read a paper, article, or book which has useful information I not only keep it around, extracted from the larger volume, carefully organized in thousands of folders, and also keep notes to which I can refer. The distinction between "extensive electronic library" and "electronic packrat" becomes far blurrier over time as the collection ever larger grows. I've skimmed a number of the military reports on vacuum tubes because the armed forces was the largest installed base of non-computer use, and the longevity and reliability reports it prepared are excellent.

As far as the above discussion of corrosion removal, at one point I wanted to understand metal cleaning and polish, and probably spent a hundred hours researching how this worked. (The impetus was cleaning and polishing a severely oxidized and corroded hammered brass table gifted to me for my living room.) I then assembled the ingredients to make my own metal polish and contact cleaner. Subsequent to which I discovered I could use the fine polish for aluminum and alloy wheels and just started using that. I've also constructed an electrolytic rust remover which works really, really well. Astonishingly so. Segments of rebar are the sacrificial anode and the electrolyte is washing soda.
 
Just dip a good quality toothpick in some Deox and spin it in the socket hole. The wood will conform to the contact over an area larger than a tube pin will and remove more crud. The wood will soften some and come out blackened. I use one TP for each hole, using each end once, for a double cleaning.

Toothpicks are stiff and inflexible, and will spring the pins.

The dental cleaning brushes are soft and deformable so the socket will not be sprung, properly hold cleaner or polish, and the cost is minimal.

This is an area where economizing is sub-optimal.
 
Quite the imagination. Your dissertation on contact cleaning was entirely tangential to the OP's question and never offered a method, just more notional cut and paste psuedoencyclopedic gibberish. ...from someone who obviously "knows," but doesn't do.

Why do you endlessly stalk me, ceaseless try to harass and bully me, and thread crap?

I clearly and succinctly explained the issues in removing corrosion from tube pins and sockets, and the reasons for so doing. My explanation was hardly cut-and-paste; the entirety was actually written by me. I've made my own metal cleaner and polish, have polished and cleaned metals of all types, and have built an electrolytic rust remover. My analysis was cogent and correct. Even you might benefit from reading it and researching the information and topics elucidated.

If you believe any of it was wrong then post some facts in rebuttal. Otherwise, no need to continue with the pathetic attempts at bullying, as this is non-productive.
 
Thank you one and all for your tips and what turned out to be a lively discussion. Using dental brushes occurred to me too, but I thought I'd seek the advise of all the Gurus out there before I did anything.

I did clean the pins by sitting them overnight in a small cap of Deoxit. When I pulled the tubes out of the Deoxit I could see "black / dark" deposits where each pin was sitting in the cap. So the "deposits /tarnish/oxidations/ whatever you call it/ clearly was removed. And the sound of the amp was much improved!

I hope now to get the pin sockets just as clean (and now, safely)

Thank you all again,
Gary
 
I'll add my thanks for all of the useful information.

On Amazon, I see a number of options for dental brushes. Can anyone provide a link to recommended brushes on Amazon that are suitable for cleaning pin sockets for 12AX7? For output tubes?
 
The GUM brand is what I had in my house and so I used them with success. I just dipped the brush in a small dish of Deoxit first. The "wide" size fits the sockets for the 6551 power tubes perfectly, and for the 12AX7 size I used the "tight". Each brush fit the sockets very well. The whole job took less than 15 minutes.
 

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I'll add my thanks for all of the useful information.

On Amazon, I see a number of options for dental brushes. Can anyone provide a link to recommended brushes on Amazon that are suitable for cleaning pin sockets for 12AX7? For output tubes?
Just get them at your pharmacy.
 
Ummm, that's not an accurate statement. A lot of audiophiles repeat such claims, as well as the related claim that the military or a manufacturer suggested repeated insertion of tubes into the socket to clean the socket's pins (a claim which you did not mention, but which should also be debunked), which is where I assume you picked it up. But it's not true; the military had specific guides to treat every contact including tube sockets, because corrosion prevented equipment from proper functioning....
While the treatise you paraphrased on the cleaning of metal surfaces is accepted practice by all who work with metals, and not only the military, my response to the original query is specific to tube pins. Cleaning tube pins is established and worthwhile practice. Pin chemical treatments with deoxit i am not keen on. I have seen 2 instances where the de oxit treatment was overdone and had gotten everywhere since it is a chemical that "creeps" on metal. If i see a socket with corrosion on the metal pins, not just tarnish plating, it is safer and more reliable with better audio performance to just change the socket out for a new one.
 
While the treatise you paraphrased on the cleaning of metal surfaces is accepted practice by all who work with metals, and not only the military, my response to the original query is specific to tube pins. Cleaning tube pins is established and worthwhile practice. Pin chemical treatments with deoxit i am not keen on. I have seen 2 instances where the de oxit treatment was overdone and had gotten everywhere since it is a chemical that "creeps" on metal. If i see a socket with corrosion on the metal pins, not just tarnish plating, it is safer and more reliable with better audio performance to just change the socket out for a new one.

I completely agree that any spray may be poorly applied and, as you described it, "overdone". Absolutely, we've likely all seen this multiple times. Saturation and overspray is an issue with any cleaner or lubricant, and it's one of the reasons why spray lubricants, particularly those with silicone, are prohibited for many types of equipment. I know they're avoided by those maintaining mixer panels because the lubricant ends up, and later migrates, everywhere except where it should be. I've personally seen silicone all over mechanical devices where it must be removed with a solvent and HCFC, and since most of the decent CFC cleaners were (for good reason) banned, this is tricker than it once was. I still have a few cans of the good stuff for cleaning mechanical TV tuners after the Zombie Apocalypse.

DeOxIt has stearates which, forming soaps, act like surfactants and detergents, lowering the surface tension of the carrier and allowing it to better spread. This merely suggests not spraying it everywhere like an air freshener, not that it may not be properly used with a small brush to clean the socket. Out of curiosity I looked up the creep energy for stearates and it's about 40 times higher than that for silicone. (The Si-O-Si bond angle is readily deformable, unlike the stearate, so it moves with very low energy.)

You've raised the specter of any potential residue engaging in chemical reactions with the pins by way of heat. That's not going to be a problem as (a) the carrier is volatile, rapidly evaporates, and would long since have left the surface, and (b) the stearate forms a soap or grease, which will volatilize and evaporate when energy (heating) is applied. Just look at kitchen surfaces if you don't believe me. An experiment could be done to verify whether or not a problem exists.

Silver-plated contacts will readily form oxides and sulfides. Removing that corrosion is easily accomplished without any consequence to the surrounding circuitry. The socket doesn't require replacement, merely cleaning. The new socket will similarly form corrosion on the silver plating. Gold plating is thin, soft, and fragile, and, at least in the consumer-grade plating with which I'm familiar, it rarely survives multiple insertions of connectors. I have cleaned brown and black corrosion from silver-plated switch contacts, and the noise and erratic behavior afterwards vanished. I did not need to undertake the expensive and laborious process of replacing the rotary switches.

The excerpt I included, not a paraphrase, from the military guide specifically addresses cleaning contact pins. While it did not specifically state tube pins, the fact that it discusses contact pins in multi-pin connectors, and specifically addressed cleaning tube sockets as a beneficial practice, I believe the inference can be accurately drawn that tube pins and tube sockets may be cleaned without issue. It all comes down to a dictate of not drowning the surface in cleaner, which, as per the above discussion using brushes, is easily accomplished.

Edit: corrected typo.
 
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