Sold the MC352, time for the C48!!

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Its all about the Music
My girlfriend and I have decided we would like a remote control, and an on-board DAC, MC cartridge facility, plus getting a matching pre-amp for the MC452.....So I sold the MC352!!

We'll move the C40 into the bedroom system and use the 40w per channel monitor amp to drive the JBL L7's......
My girlfriend never really uses more than a couple of 3 or 4 watts rms max, so we think the C40 is definitely the unit for the job....

This frees up the C32 and the MC2205 for me to use with my JBL4412's in my tech room.......hmmmmm, I might have to buy another tuner!!
 
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We'll move the C40 into the bedroom system and use the 40w per channel monitor amp to drive the JBL L7's......
Roger Russell says the C40 is 20w per channel. That should still be enough.
 
A foray into tubes McIntosh style might surprise you. Any way your dealer would let you bring home a C2500 for a spin?
 
You may recall that I'm also interested in acquiring a C48. If it were not for the lack of remote I would definitely have a C40, however I seriously wonder if you'll hear any sonic improvement with the C48. I even wonder if I'll hear any improvement over my C712; its That good.
But maybe you're only looking to get an additional pre rather than expecting an improvement.
 
Once you have lived with graphic tone controls you can't go back to the restricting bass and treble. The new pre-amps with the remote balance and input level matching are nice benefit not to be discounted. Especially as the new amps don't have level controls. Though I don't dub as much as I used to, I would miss having the Mode selector and record selector in the new preamps. The newer units have fewer knobs and I miss being able to do all I want with my fingers as well as with the remote.

With the latest cartridges from Dynavector and modern turntables vinyl is not the same experience from the past. Its totally new! So don't discount analog in the form of vinyl. I have found a record store near a university that sells LPs, though pre-owned, in great condition at very reasonable prices. Downloading analog off the internet is always a challenge. If I set up the graphic EQ on my computer to balance Telarc down loads, then downloading Command LPS when compared to Vinyl do not match. If I down load Mercury recordings I have to use other settings. Some one is tinkering or remastering analog recordings to their own tastes before we get to download. No wonder so many people are finding they want to hear vinyl at home with out artistic manipulation.
 
You may recall that I'm also interested in acquiring a C48. If it were not for the lack of remote I would definitely have a C40, however I seriously wonder if you'll hear any sonic improvement with the C48. I even wonder if I'll hear any improvement over my C712; its That good.
But maybe you're only looking to get an additional pre rather than expecting an improvement.

Very similar thoughts. I really want a C48 for my "vinyl system" as it would allow me to get rid of two different phono stages and a DAC and more then likely be a big upgrade for those components. But compared to my C41 currently in that system, I'm not really sure how much sonic improvement I'd be getting vs. simply "features".
 
C48 has a pretty awesome phono section. You will be pleasantly surprised and can dial in any cartridge for best response. 'Features' like the adjustable loading in the two C48phono sections lead to better performance with each and every cartridge.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
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C48 has a pretty awesome phono section. You will be pleasantly surprised and can dial in any cartridge for best response.

Thanks,
Ron-C

My dealer agreed with me that being able to adjust loading/capacitance with the remote from your chair is just about the height of audio luxury. And if the DAC sounds half has good as the D100 I picked up last weekend, :banana::banana::banana:
 
A foray into tubes McIntosh style might surprise you. Any way your dealer would let you bring home a C2500 for a spin?

No the dealer doesn't have a demo unit. He's trying to push it on me because its been in the store since July last year, they only ever got one in.
So he wants to move it.


You may recall that I'm also interested in acquiring a C48. If it were not for the lack of remote I would definitely have a C40, however I seriously wonder if you'll hear any sonic improvement with the C48. I even wonder if I'll hear any improvement over my C712; its That good.
But maybe you're only looking to get an additional pre rather than expecting an improvement.

Yes I do recall you were interested, I feel there may be a marginal improvement, but not a night an day difference, the C40 is right up there sonically.
Its the features I'm after, and to modernize. The Phono performance however could be a step up....
Being able to trim the inputs, and to have less clutter, and to have a comprehensive remote are all things I am after.....


Once you have lived with graphic tone controls you can't go back to the restricting bass and treble. The new pre-amps with the remote balance and input level matching are nice benefit not to be discounted. Especially as the new amps don't have level controls. Though I don't dub as much as I used to, I would miss having the Mode selector and record selector in the new preamps. The newer units have fewer knobs and I miss being able to do all I want with my fingers as well as with the remote.

With the latest cartridges from Dynavector and modern turntables vinyl is not the same experience from the past. Its totally new! So don't discount analog in the form of vinyl. I have found a record store near a university that sells LPs, though pre-owned, in great condition at very reasonable prices. Downloading analog off the internet is always a challenge. If I set up the graphic EQ on my computer to balance Telarc down loads, then downloading Command LPS when compared to Vinyl do not match. If I down load Mercury recordings I have to use other settings. Some one is tinkering or remastering analog recordings to their own tastes before we get to download. No wonder so many people are finding they want to hear vinyl at home with out artistic manipulation.

All these are things I have considered in selecting this pre-amp, I was considering the C50, but I think its overpriced to be honest, what am I getting above the C48? more EQ filters and some VU meters?
Yeah, not really worth it if you ask me, the C48 is almost as well appointed and it has a more traditional look which I prefer over the C50.

Yes the lack of tone options on the C2500 is something I am not keen on.
I very rarely use tone controls, but when I do, I appreciate having the flexibility...

Very similar thoughts. I really want a C48 for my "vinyl system" as it would allow me to get rid of two different phono stages and a DAC and more then likely be a big upgrade for those components. But compared to my C41 currently in that system, I'm not really sure how much sonic improvement I'd be getting vs. simply "features".

I think the phono section in the C48 could quite possibly open up more options than you currently have, the essential "sound" of the pre-amp may be a little better, but as I have mentioned above, its more about modernizing and the features that I am after.....

C48 has a pretty awesome phono section. You will be pleasantly surprised and can dial in any cartridge for best response. 'Features' like the adjustable loading in the two C48phono sections lead to better performance with each and every cartridge.

Thanks,
Ron-C

I am looking forward to that!! More phono options.....:thmbsp:
 
See if you can borrow the C2500. I'd be interested in your thoughts regarding the differences with the C48.

Not possible, the one C2500 they have in stock is not a demo unit.

They don't even have a C48 in stock, they have to get it in from the distributor in Australia, it takes two weeks apparently....

This is what happens when you live in New Zealand......
 
Remember the first stage of a 2500 MC input is SS just like a C48 or 50. Then it goes to tubes and then back to SS for the output to feed the amp. So why not just go SS all the way and retain those valuable graphic tone controls you can't part with. If you want meters for the pre-amp get a C50.
 
Remember the first stage of a 2500 MC input is SS just like a C48 or 50. Then it goes to tubes and then back to SS for the output to feed the amp. So why not just go SS all the way and retain those valuable graphic tone controls you can't part with. If you want meters for the pre-amp get a C50.

I completely agree, the new generation tube pre's aren't tube all the way....


I feel the C48 is the best value for money, its a classic look, it has the 5 band EQ which I already like, and they have changed the centre frequencies for some of the bands, for example, 2khz instead of 1.5khz.....which is much more useful.....
Yeah, C48 all the way.......:thmbsp:
 
Yeah the modern features seem to be more of what folks want to gain from the newer pres, and often expect less of the possibility of a gaining much sonic improvements.
As much as I'm keen on the C48, many of the features will unfortunately be wasted on me. I have tons of vinyl, possibly around 2 thousand LP's, but I rarely listen to any of them. I don't do HT, so small benefits such as pass-though are of no use. I almost entirely use the D100 from 2 digital sources, so the internal DAC is not likely to be used since although it might be close, I doubt it will be quite as good as the D100; which also means I won't much need Level Matching either.

I do however really like the idea of the digital volume along with the displayed level; I often make minute changes in volume and its also handy for quick presetting for various albums or times of day.
However again, my main reason for wanting the C48 is to get that multi-band EQ in a modern preamp, or at least one introduced since year 2000. If the C46 had the same bands as the C48 or C50, it would likely fit just fine but the top band of 4K is a deal breaker.

Interesting that the C48 seems to have comparatively fewer owners than most other Mac preamps of the last 10 or so years including the more affordable C220. Any theories on why that is?
 
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