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Technics SL-3200 worth investing time into?

xwarp

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I've got a couple of Duals, a 1219, a 1229, and this Technics sl-3200.

I want to invest some time into getting one of the Duals working properly. I'm interested in getting the 1219 running better because it's an early one with the black motor and metal levers.

The 1229 needs more work than the 1219 and is in ok shape.

The SL-3200 is also in ok shape, but needs a cart/stylus.

Do I bother with and time and money in either of those?
 
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[QUOTE="xwarp, post: 9985500, member: 3182]

The 1229 needs more work than the 1219 and is in ok shape.

Do I bother with and time and money in either of those?[/QUOTE]

There is a strong following for the Dual 1229.

Lots of old thread/post in concern with restoration of the unit. :thumbsup:
 
Apologies as I did not write my thought out correctly.

What it should have read was that I am going to work the 1219, but, is the 1229 worth the time and money over the Sl-3200?
 
Apologies as I did not write my thought out correctly.

What it should have read was that I am going to work the 1219, but, is the 1229 worth the time and money over the Sl-3200?

Don't know! :dunno:

Others familiar with both will be chiming in shortly......
 
I originally had a Dual 1229 and was dissatisfied with the amount of motor noise and rumble that it had, and that's when it was new in the late 1970s. I sold it and got a Technics SL-1650 which is direct drive model too. I recommend that you get a cartridge for the Technics SL-3200. It's much more reliable than the Dual, and if you check the specs you will see that the direct drive Technics is much quieter than the Dual.
 
The direct drive Technics turntables are very dependable and well worth mounting a cartridge. I have owned Duals and Technics and I kind of look at the Duals like the old joke about owning a British car. You need to have two of them so you have one to drive while the other is in the shop.
 
When I was a teenager in the 1977, my father bought me a stereo set made by Pioneer with a PL-112D turntable and Ortofon F-15E cartridge: I was totally satisfied with it, lively sound, no fedback at all but about ten years after it gave up spinning, probably the belt went broken. An aunt of mine gave me his Technics SL-3110 (it's the completely manual and black version of the 3200) for free because it was a gift of her former boy-friend and she didn't want to have around something recalling him.
The Pioneer was sold when my mother decided to empty the attic without telling anything to me.
The sound was worse than Pioneer one, dull with a clear sensibility to acoustic feedback (it was placed in a rack): in 1988 I bought my first CD player and the Technics was not able to compare with the new technology. During the years I tried to improve the analogic sound changing the cartridges but it was useless, Shure M75 ED T2 after the Ortofon, then a Goldring 1006 and then again a Grado Red. The sound was always dull without soundstage until the 2004 when I bent the cantilever of the Grado and decided to give up with vinyl: the Technics was abandoned.
Just a year ago I decided to buy a Dual 1219 to listen again to my vynil collection and I give it to a guy skilled in restoration and servicing of Dual turntables. I was also so lucky to won an auction for a NOS Acutex 312 for only 35 €: well now I'm really fond of analogic sound, it's very lively with a big and deep soundstage, many miles way better of The Technics SL-3110 one, and can be compared with the sound of my CD player (Marantz CD 17 mkII). There is absolutely no acoustic feedback, whatever the listening volume, I can say that I'm very happy with the 1219, but obviously these Dual idler wheels can give a very good sound only if perfectly serviced. Rumble? No issue for me: yes if you put your ears very close to the turntable with no sound when the Dual is spinning you can hear a little noise coming from the motor, but it isn't transmitted to the loudspeakers, so if you listen to the music to more than a meter away from the turntable even with just a very low volume the noise is really inaudible.
Furthermore the Dual 1219 it is a fully automatic turntable (if you want, but also manual) and it is very comfortable to use, no more "Bump - Bump" at the end of the record because you were absent-minded, or because you were called to another room by your wife or daughter, or son.
The specs often tell nothing about the sound and this is just my experience: the Dual 1219 sounds much, much better than my Technics SL-3110, even I must admit that I didn't try to mount the Acutex 312 on the Technics: it gives me a so beautiful sound mounted and perfectly aligned on the Dual 1219 that I won't take it away from here forever! The Techincs sounded crap with four different cartridges (five to tell the truth, last month I tried also a brand new Ortofon Concorde DJ night Pro for pure curiosity - rent from a friend of mine - but the final result didn't change) so I think that it don't deserve any other attention. ,
 
Sounds like there was something wrong with your SL-3110. My experience has been that when I switch cartridges among my turntables they sound virtually the same. Check the wiring and interconnects.
 
The specs often tell nothing about the sound and this is just my experience: the Dual 1219 sounds much, much better than my Technics SL-3110, even I must admit that I didn't try to mount the Acutex 312 on the Technics: it gives me a so beautiful sound mounted and perfectly aligned on the Dual 1219 that I won't take it away from here forever! The Techincs sounded crap with four different cartridges (five to tell the truth, last month I tried also a brand new Ortofon Concorde DJ night Pro for pure curiosity - rent from a friend of mine - but the final result didn't change) so I think that it don't deserve any other attention.

I think this is the key: I find the Acutex 312 STRIII - a true mid-end Hi-Fi cartridge with a nice stylus - can sound pretty nice with any of my turntables, while I never ever really got any decent sound out of something like a Concorde DJ...
 
I feel just about any turntable is worth investing time into. Sometimes you have to make decisions though when you start investing cash. Any of my equipment I consider "keepers" I will spend all the time it takes to clean them up, give them maintenance and a fresh new life. I find it kind of therapeutic.

I have a Technics SL-1500 that I got in trade last year. It had a speed problem and was just well used. Fixed the speed issue and then took the motor apart to relube the shaft. Cleaned everything else and had almost no money invested in the rehab. Then all I needed was a cart. And as we all know, you can spend as little or as much as you want.

So I guess it's ultimately up to you. If you have the time and enjoy the process, make them all work the way they should. You can always sell one later.
 
SL-3200 is a nice table. I thought mine somehow sounded better than my SL-1700, yet I kept the 1700 because it was a "better" table.
 
Sounds like there was something wrong with your SL-3110. My experience has been that when I switch cartridges among my turntables they sound virtually the same. Check the wiring and interconnects.
Perhaps it's my case, aniway the wiring and the interconnets are still the originsl ones.
 
I think this is the key: I find the Acutex 312 STRIII - a true mid-end Hi-Fi cartridge with a nice stylus - can sound pretty nice with any of my turntables, while I never ever really got any decent sound out of something like a Concorde DJ...
I can agree with you about the Concord DJ, but the sound was unsatisfying to me even with the other four different cartridges. However I'm well aware that the Acutex 312 STR III is clearly superior to all of the four cartridges that I previously owned.
I have also a Shure D105ED (M95ED made for Dual) mounted on a second Tk14, and then again the sound is much more lively than the one I remember with M75 Ed T2 mounted on the Technics. Nevertheless this is only my personal experience, I know that Technics are highly rated, but perhaps is unfair to compare the basic turntable of 1978 Technics line with the top of the Dual 1971-1973 line.
 
Yes that's my point, I think comparing turntables with different cartridges is fun, but not very useful for making judgements about which is the better turntable. :)

I personally don't think it is unfair to compare the Dual with the Technics, yes it was more expensive but it Dual was a "peoples" brand and never made esoteric gear. Also, in my opinion he Hi-Fi was much improved by the end of the seventies compared to the beginning years. The sixties and seventies where times when huge leaps were still made. Yes the Technics is a lighter build but was based on newer technologies with a broader choice of materials and improved manufacturing capabilities. It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges but it is not unfair. :)

jeffpaletz made some points here that I experienced too with the earlier Duals, for me this stood in the way of enjoying the music to the fullest. I had better luck with some of the later Duals though, even though they had a lighter platter they sounded better to me, probably the different arm played a major role in this.

Anyway, they are all worth it to be used and enjoyed, in my opinion.
 
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Tough to call. All three are pretty valuable today, maybe a little less frenzy on the Duals over the last year after they started getting stupid money. So it plays out for what you like - Style and sound. Personally, when I realized that 1219's had climbed from $20-50 on CL to getting over $350 on ebay and CL, I weighed what I had into mine, it's performance, and it's quirky problems that come up with age, and I dumped that sucker for 3 times what I paid for it. I had it, I enjoyed it, and profited from it. Never looked back. I have a Technics DD now- and it plays 78s too. Truth be told I know I can equal or exceed performance on that with a really good sleeper turntable. When I find the next one at a yard sale for less than $50, I'll sell off the Technics. Good luck with your decision.
 
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