tuner recommendations please

whathahell

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I need a tuner to pair with my Pioneer SA 9100. I know to complete the group it would be nice to have a matching TX 9100 or the like but I think I need a digital tuner because I flip though the stations and like presets. Reception around here is kind of bad and the stations that come in strong are not what I want to listen to. I'm a left of the dial person.

I also don't think I need to spend a lot either considering ebay is full of $30-100 tuners. I think I'd like to stick with pioneer, not sure why, just because of the amp.....(TX-940)?

I've also read about analog tuners with digital readout and presets...

mainly I'm looking for something that is attractive, gets great signal and sounds very good

I'd love some input
thanks
 
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I'd get the TX 9100. As it is such a great performer and sensitive. It also has a superb AM section to boot. I don't care for the digital display Pioneers much. Adcom has a nice digital tuner as does Crown with their FM Two. Many a cheapo digital display tuner has higher inherent self noise. Which does not do weak signals a favor.
 
I hear you, it would be great. They're getting hard to find and the expense is quite high compared to other options. are there any digital 5 gang options that you know of?

part of the reason is space, looking for a slim unit to tuck away. Eventually I'd love to find the 9100 but for now we like the buttons
 
If you really want digital the TX-1000 was the predecessor to the TX-9100. The F-90 is also good. Both are 4-gang tuners and should be pretty reasonable.
 
The Pioneer F-91 would be worth a try. Looking through recent sales there are a couple that have sold for just over $100 - a bargain!

Regards,
Nick
 
Digital tuners are a dime a dozen, so get a cheapo and use it until you have a overpowering need to get something better. That way you can afford to bide your time until something great shows up at a good price.
 
Marantz NA 6005 is a very interesting unit; AM/FM, wifi. I downloaded the manual and it has a heck of a lot going for it, around $600.

grace Digital tuner, FM, wifi, around $200. I have these in two systems and the performance is fine. No AM, though.

I am very happy getting my stations from the Internet with world-wide choices. There are only about two FM stations that I like locally.
 
I've owned a lot of tuners over the years. One of the best - and it also happens to be one of the cheapest - is the Onkyo T-4120 digital tuner. Scroll down to the 4120 info and read on.

I currently own the 4120 - a Kenwood KT-7500 in great shape - and have owned in the past few years a Technics ST-8600 - Denon TU-1500RDS - and several weak tuners I'd just as soon forget about.

I'm not promoting the Onkyo T-4120 as the end-all and be-all for tuners - it isn't that good. Just that if you are looking for cheap and good its one of the few well under $100 (probably under $50 shipped!) that I can recommend as pretty damned decent. It performs as well as the KT-7500 in AM and almost as good in FM. I use an AntennaCraft FM-6 on a rotor for my FM reception and the 4120 pulls in weak stations nearly as good as the 7500 with great signal rejection.
 
I was going to pass on this thread but since none Pioneer suggestions are being made, I'll provide my penny's worth.

As some may know, I spent years with a number of pretty decent tuner with my main permanent being a McIntosh MR77. In several threads I have mentioned the old tube wide band am-fm stereo tuners if you want some of the better am sound as the engineers tried to get the am sound competitive with the mono fm. Back then before FCC limits set with the mpx mandate fm tuners were wideband, that is high end went to 20,000 hz. With the intro of the mpx system upper stereo limit was 15,000hz. During the early mpx days of tube designs, the mono was still out to 20,000hz with many designs such as Scott. With the transistion to ss, the designers no longer had to try to go beyond 15,000hz with the tuner, even in mono. So, most ss designs had a goal to go to a max.of 15,000hz. The min issue was whether you designed the limitation via a rolloff or a brick. Bother were used. The brick generally gave a tighter +/- spec while the rolloff depended on how it was executed.

Over the years I have seen enough tuner specs to just gloss over the frequency response spec as it was always 20-15,000. The deviation could help in determining the type of high freq control, but as more gangs and if stages were added to high end, the filters generally were brick. A brick allows a flat response to the limit and then radically chops everything above it. As a design, I usually preferred a rolloff and fewer gangs and if stages as it seemed, if the tuner was well designed to sound very good.

Most recently, I have sold off most of my tuners including all my high end, read expensive units. I was surprised I did not miss them and even enjoyed my new main tuner as much and better. A few days ago, I may have discovered why. The tuner is the Sherwood S3300. It is a ss rebuild of the S3000 tube series. It would seem something just so-so from its looks and its specs are at first not anything great. A typical simple Sherwood approach that looks too simple. It may be part of the reason it sounds so good. It is, heck, only a 3-gang tuner with 3 if stages and no fancy filters.

If someone handed it to me along with the specs, I would yawn. But having Sherwoods, I learned not to underestimate the engineers. The tuner had 4 basic interations: 1) all silicon transistors, 2) silicon and fet transistor, 3) silicon, fet and microcircuits, and 4) the SEL300 that was a soup up S3000 type 3 with new if, principally introducing new type of filter. The SEL200 receiver uses a slightly SEL300 variant.

I have the silicon and fet version and the silicon, fet and microcircuit version. Subjectively there is NO difference between them. I am using the silicon and fet version in my system.

I got the tuners some years ago and each was checked out and aligned by the same person. It took some time as it did with my tube S3000IV that the tuners actually were competitive with my big stuff. I think I may have found a key. I had not noticed the frequency response, as I said. In reading the service manuals, I realized the mono frequency response is 20-20,000 hz +/- 1/2 db and in stereo 20-15,000 +/- 1/2db. These are the specs of an excellent tube wide band fm mono tuner. Maybe this coupled with the fewer if stages that generally means less frequency cutoff and the design around the Sherwood if cans recognized back then as good as it got over the Miller coils most used. Add mono and stereo distortion of .25% that by any measure is low, especially for stereo. To compare it, the Yamaha CT610II is .8% for stereo and freq response is 50-15,000 -3db. The S3300 sells for about 1/4th of a S3300.

I am not sure how prevalent side band fm ss tuners are. As I said, it has been something I have glossed over for years. It may have some thing to do with why it now sits in the top slot and all but the Yamaha CA610II have left the house with no regrets. If you do not need a dx'er, try a S3300. Being simpler and used as broadcast monitors means they tend tl be more robust. When I bought a 10b from a radio station years ago, it was being replaced with a S3300. The station also used a number of S3000 both mono and stereo throughout the station.

I will be getting rid of the Yamaha and mating the other S3300 with the CA610II amp. You may want to try one yourself as they sell for peanuts, for now. Sorry for the long reply.
 
Thank you for these well thought responses. I'll review all of these options, and they all sound intriguing. Ebay seems to be short on options at the moment so I wait for warmer weather and our town flea. I'll swing by Goodwill this weeks as well. This is the only component lacking on my new system so I don't want to rush it. There's also a few vintage dealers in the area that I may contact but they want higher prices considering the work done
 
Not sure if you seen this site but I will provide a link to a great tuner site. http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html jump to the end for results. Keep in mind this is one guys opinion and there are a few good tuners he didnt include in his shootout. I have a Pioneer F-9 that has a lot going for it, my Kenwood KT-5020 is a giant slayer, Onkyo has some very nice bang for buck tuners. Spend some time on the fm tuner site looking thru the various brands and be sure to get a functioning tuner because paying for proper alignment is not cheap, also tuners from same year and manufacturer will vary greatly depending on model.
 
A 5-gang (or equivalent) digital tuner for less than $100 is gonna be tough. The Yamaha TX-950 is a sweet little tuner and can sometimes be had for that price or less. Lots of presets and fine tuning on both AM and FM. It's about two steps below Yamaha's best, the T-85. Their T-80 might work for you, but it's not a 5-ganger.

Onkyo makes some killer tuners, the best (actually seen in the wild) being the T-9090 II. The T-4310, T-4500, or T-4700 might work for you. There are a couple of 4500s (5 gang equivalent) up for auction at the moment.
 
I'll echo a couple of posts here. Sanyo T-35 very good for price you can often find these for. I have the T-55 and T-35 and the T-35 is the better performer of mine.

Same for the Yamaha TX-950. Plus consider the the Yamaha TX-930 which circuit wise is virtually identical to the TX-950. Only difference I've seen here is the TX-950 has 40 presets and the TX-930 has 24. That's pretty much the difference here.
 
I'm now looking at an iPad. I've been using my phone to stream wifi radio and have been finding the results fairly good. The sound may not be as good as a proper tuner but it solves many problems. Might do it
 
I got an ipad 3. not all stations sound great, most do and i like what I get out of it. Plus, I can use it as a Mini Moog with a midi keyboard and a multi track recorder.

TuneIn app has pretty much everything I would want to hear all over the country. KCRW, WFMU, WVKR....it's all there except my local classic rock station but those are a dime a dozen

Garage sale season is right around the corner though
 
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