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Wharfedale W70 & Sony

Brian

An Old Geezer
Yesterday I did some changes that included mating the speakers to the STR6120. My son and I sat to listen and the speakers sounded terrible. Just music on out of 2 boxes. Small sounding and no soundstage. Checked wiring, all okay. My son could not believe I even liked these speakers. I pulled the wires and reconnected them to the little Sherwood and all was getting good. He loved the sound. Hooked up the Smaller Advents to the Sony and. They were fine.

Is anyone using a Sony on the W70 and if so how do they sound?
 
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I'm actually using a 2watt per channel SET amp with surprising volume and quality of sound. I did have very good sound with early 70's sansui SS as well.Like tubes the best so far.No use of Sony amps or receivers as yet. Good luck,at least you know experimentation is a absolute necessity.
 
This is sinking in for me, I've heard it a lot, that a person needs to match up things and hard to know for sure until you try it. Even though I read it several times, I just wasn't getting it. I have Marantz Quadradial 4 amp that people said was "harsh". Yeah, sounded harsh with some Canton speakers. Then I thought of the old Advents with heavy bass. Well what was harsh helped the Advents, made them a little brighter, they sound better with that amp. And I have some dlk speakers, model one I think. Sounded terrible with a Harman Kardon 430, I was disappointed. Don't know why I did it but after a month or two I hooked the dlks to a little Technics receiver ...whaaaaaaa?, they sound great with that receiver. I have some 70s that I've never hooked up, now I'm getting scared too.
 
i am picking up some unmolested w70d's tomorrow.... planning on powering them with a dynaco st70 i purchased in bartertown (still in the mail) ..... will let you know the outcome when it happens.... still need to find a preamp so it may be a while.... will probably give the w70d's a try with my pioneer sx780 when it arrives also.... ( lots of fun stuff arriving this coming week.... err, at least it should be! ) ec
 
Synergy or lack of it I presume.With my Bozak 302a they sounded great with a Yamaha CA1010.Not so much with a Sansui 8080db.
 
Really good speakers will simply play what you feed them and reveal all the weak points of your system.
 
Good! I mean it's good it wasn't the speakers!

I'm just glad it wasn't the Sony. I just recommended a 30wpc Sony of similar vintage for some Wharfedales (Or was it Wharfedales for a 30wpc Sony? Hell, I don't know).

So, the Sony is OK with them now? How many watts is that thing anyway? The ported Wharfedales definitely have a thing for warm, tubey-sounding, low-power gear. They are surprisingly-sensitive, so it makes sense to me to play into that and go with a low-power unit of good quality, something where you can turn the volume knob up high enough to reach the amp/receiver's sweet spot without the volume level being so loud that it takes your head off.
 
The STR6120 is ftc rated at 50 watts per channel. I do not use anything like that power. I have a RS led peak reading meter I connected to my Sherwood to see what power levels I was feeding into my speakers and my average power is .0004 watts, it does have an indicator for that level. At that level the max power on peaks is only about a half watt. This is my average listening level so these speakers as well as my Klipsch are great examples of where you want an amp whose 1st watt is of the highest quality. The little STR6045 with its 18 ftc watts is more than sufficient and also sounds good on them.

If I were to experiment with amps and especially tubes, I would go down theater of getting the Sherwood S5000 that used 6bq5 and have Don Sachs or Mike Samna work their magic on it. The guys who have had them redo the Sherwood amps and also had some pretty decent high end gear have said these reworked amps that were already some of the best in their class at anytime were taken to a whole other level. I had the later S5000II that used 7591s and put out 26 watts and can attest the Sherwoods are up there with the best from any company. I think the S-E and 300b low power crowd might like them. At my listening levels these put out more than enough power.

The tube Sherwood would be the most likely path as I love my S9500c on them and it has virtually the same voicing as the S5000II. It is because of this I actually have refrained from going to the S5000II. My wife who knows I was missing the S5000II before getting the S9500c even recently suggested I get one and have it gone over if it will make me happy even given my condition. I have had the W70s off the S9500c for just a few days because of the little together and it is like going through withdrawal. Tomorrow I will rectify this and get a high.
 
That's funny. They're like that with the four 7591's of my 800C for sure. Addicting as all get out. Soon you're spiralling into sonic excess. I've been there. But I've actually found that if you're away from them for a little while for whatever reason, they're a whole lot better when you come back. Moderation is the key to life.

:D

Where can I find a pair of LED power meters like that, something that I can run between my Fisher and speakers? I ask because my Fisher 800C has that volume knob/power switch thing, and it would make it much easier to get the two channels zero'd out. I'm pretty-good at doing it by ear at this point, but a pair of meters with a large, LED-type display would make it so much easier because I can just dial them in equal to each other. Wharfedales are especially-sensitive to placement and so many other things, and proper channel balance is one of them. Some meters like those would really help with that.

You're so right about the quality of the upstream gear though. Very-true based on my experience and what I've read and heard from other Wharfedale owners. I noticed my W90's frequency response got flatter over time as I made certain upgrades, and now they are surprisingly-bump/shoutiness-free. One of my reference/test songs is Isaac Hayes' "Walk On By", and his lead vocal on that song has LOTS of pitch frustrations that really put a pair of speakers to the test, especially in the lower mids, and it sounds perfect now. More-importantly, the sound has an authenticity to it. Wharfedale made one hell of a midwoofer back in the day. Those 5" midwoofer pairs in the W90's were impedance-matched, same as the tweeters (Certainly necessary with a twin type of design like that). The W90 is sort of like a front-firing version of their older designs, which had the woofer section and the mid/tweeter sections totally-isolated from each other. I really dig the free-air-mounted approach they used on all their alnico tweeters and upper-midwoofers. The W70 is part of that old Wharfedale lineage as well. That period from '55-'63 is my favorite. After Raymond Cooke left, I think Gilbert Briggs may have lost his drive, his focus as far as the company was concerned, or perhaps he was just really busy. He decided around '63 that he wanted to retire from running the day to operations and concentrate on Wharfedale's publishing dept. (as he was already over 70 years old at that point), but the lack of a suitable replacement kept him from actually doing so until February of '65, thankfully. But Wharfedale was quite the company back in the late '50's and early '60's, with a string of legendary models.

The STR6120 is ftc rated at 50 watts per channel. I do Inot use anything like that power. I have a RS led peak reading meter I connected to my Sherwood to see what power levels I was feeding into my speakers and my average power is .0004 watts, it does have an indicator for that level. At that level the max power on peaks is only about a half watt. This is my average listening level so these speakers as well as my Klipsch are great examples of where you want an amp whose 1st watt is of the highest quality. The little STR6045 with its 18 ftc watts is more than sufficient and also sounds good on them.

If I were to experiment with amps and especially tubes, I would go down theater of getting the Sherwood S5000 that used 6bq5 and have Don Sachs or Mike Samna work their magic on it. The guys who have had them redo the Sherwood amps and also had some pretty decent high end gear have said these reworked amps that were already some of the best in their class at anytime were taken to a whole other level. I had the later S5000II that used 7591s and put out 26 watts and can attest the Sherwoods are up there with the best from any company. I think the S-E and 300b low power crowd might like them. At my listening levels these put out more than enough power.

The tube Sherwood would be the most likely path as I love my S9500c on them and it has virtually the same voicing as the S5000II. It is because of this I actually have refrained from going to the S5000II. My wife who knows I was missing the S5000II before getting the S9500c even recently suggested I get one and have it gone over if it will make me happy even given my condition. I have had the W70s off the S9500c for just a few days because of the little together and it is like going through withdrawal. Tomorrow I will rectify this and get a high.
 
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The RS had a series of power meters, I think APM is the prefix. They included both mechanical meter and led versions. I suspect pretty common on the auction site. Mine came from a thrift probably 15-20 years ago and likely paid less than $10 for it.
 
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