Which Reel to Reels to buy and stay away from?

theoman

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I'm starting to look into buying a reel to reel. over the weekend i came across lots of pre-recored tapes. I was told the Teac's where the one's to buy because of availably of parts? i was looking for the top ten rtr's of all times. and all i get is a list of the best looking one's. could use some help on this one guys. my budget is 500-1000

thanks

anyone spot a great unit for sale?
 
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Well....you'll get a ton of differing opinions.

Pre-recorded playback? Pioneer RT-707 or -909. They're super gentle, and when working, generally stay that way.

IMO, one of the best all around decks you can get is the Otari MX-5050. Buy one for fairly cheap and have a tech properly align the unit for 3.75ips/7.5ips play and record. Most versions have a 1/4tk playback head, some are 4 channel with a 1/2tk playback head.

A machine that'll play just about anything is the Technics RS-1500. 2 track rec/play with 1/4tk playback, also available in 1/4tk play/rec and 1/2 playback (I believe that this was the 1506?). 1700 is the autoreverse version. All come with 3.75/7.5/15ips standard. I love my RS-1500 and hope to never have to part with it.
 
Pioneer RT-707 and 909. I own both and both decks are great. I am rather partial to the 909 though for various reasons. They sound great, I always record "Hot" and both are auto reverse. The 909 meters are a bit more accurate and the 10.5" tapes can handle 4 LPs easily, on fast speed
 
Pioneer RT 707 is my favorite deck for 1/4 track playback duty. And handles cupped acetate like virtually no other. For 1/2 track recording with 1/4 track playback added, I prefer the Otari MX 5050 B II. The Technics is superb but very overpriced in today's world and parts are very scarce. When working well, the Technics is nice.
 
I was told the Teac's where the one's to buy because of availably of parts?

As far as Teac goes, A series, yes, X series, unless it's a X-1000 or X-2000, I would pass. I have to second the vote for the before mentioned Pioneer decks since they are dead reliable and given your budget, you should be able to find one in excellent condition.

On other decks to avoid, I would stay away from Dokorder decks as they have a bit of a reputation for being both problematic and hard to work on. Also avoid the Sony TC-580.

The Sony TC-580 is an absolutely beautiful looking deck and really looks nice sitting on the shelf, although it becomes ugly when you actually try to use it. Sony had this bright idea of creating an auto reverse deck that eliminated the need for sensing foil. They achieved this through the use of six heads some of which monitored for blank space on both sides of the tape to activate the auto reverse function. Unfortunately the auto reverse would be triggered during quiet passages or if both songs on both sides of the tape began and ended at the same time (something that occurred more often than Sony realized) . Essentially Sony worked out this complicated method for doing something worse than a simple sensor and sensing foil.

I own a TC-580 and while I dismissed the common problems people had with these decks, I soon became the wiser. Let's just say if I had the choice of two decks, a Sony TC-580 and a Concord Sound Camera, a dictation quality 2" reel machine, I would have to choose the Sound Camera. Yes, they are that bad, but quite a beautiful piece of sculpture and the times that they actually work when they are supposed to (both of them) they do sound nice.

Also stay away from any Akai with Crossfield heads. Unless you like constant azimuth issues, give these a miss.
 
Can the auto reverse function be disconnected or bypassed somehow on that Sony?

Not that I am aware of. It's sort of an intricate system with all those heads since it has six where the normal deck has three. I paid $5 for mine in great condition. I would say that mine has the bugs because it is old, although the problems with mine are not all that different than what the reviews of that unit say. Here's what the Open Reel Forever page has to say about it:

Sony TC-580

DESCRIPTION: I believe this dates from the mid 70's. A fairly deluxe deck, it's unusual in the fact that it's a three motor, three speed design. It is fully bi-directional, and functions as if it had six heads (more on that later). A good looking machine, it anticipated the trend toward today's black equipment by having a black faceplate with walnut sides.

COMMENTS: This one was found in the choir room at First Presbyterian Church in downtown Charleston, West Virginia. I traded a tuning of the pipe organ worth $225.00 for it, which was a mistake. This one is by far the most unreliable tape deck of any sort I've ever encountered. There are many design flaws which make this an unpleasant machine to work with. It uses Sony's "ESP" system, which listens to the right track of both sides of the tape, and when it hears seven seconds of silence in both directions, it trips the reverse. You'd better hope you have a tape that's recorded on both sides, or it'll try to auto reverse after every track! (Of course, you can turn the auto reverse off.) Then there's the auto reversing mechanism itself, which is hideously complicated, and involves moving the pinch roller from one side of the capstan to the other! Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Then there are the electronics. Despite all the fanciness, there's no motion sensing, so woe be unto the person who goes directly from a fast wind mode to play without stopping first. The deck has an emblem which says "Six Head Function"- what this means is that they cheapened the deck by using four heads, and provided monitoring capability by means of complicated and unreliable switching circuits. The playback electronics always sounded lousy, being way too hot (despite their being calibrated and worked on by my trusted technician) and very thin sounding. My opinion: stay clear of this one.

Great to look at but miserable to use, the Sony TC-580 rates in my book as one of Sony's rare outright failures.
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I never thought mine sounded too hot, lousy or thin, although I pretty much experienced all the other problems with this unit. By the way, if you turn the auto reverse off, it just stops the tape where there is silence.
 
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Revox B77 and A77 are great sounding decks, very well built, easy to service and repair and parts are not a problem.

Have to agree on that - exept 4 track/3.75"+7.5" versions are rather unusual.

4 Track heads can be found - it's worse with the low speed issue :)

Either a Pioneer or TEAC A3300SX would be my advise.

Or find a Sony TC 765 ..........

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Sonically beats the living daylight out of many other decks, and just candy for anyones eyes - it's a beuty !
 
Pioneer RT-707,RT-909 all the way Baby!

OK another vote for the 909. Only downside is it's a space hog.

Sentimental fav is a Teac A-4010s that I inherited from my Dad. Seems like every pilot who flew in Vietnam went to Hong Kong & brought back Sansui recievers & Teac decks. Parts are pretty common. Pre-amp unit has nice big gauges & RCA jacks in the back allow trouble shooting for other stuff. Don't know its spec's but only downside is no 10.5" tapes & no "pause" unless you jerry-rig one.

Surprised Akai GX-635d hasn't come up. Again, don't know its spec's, but 6 heads allows recording in both directions. Was convenient for copying/backing up tapes. It's downside was the pre-amp. They chould've easily given us left & right channel imho... The parts they used might also be a factor. Had to have it completely recapped & it wasn't that old. Pioneer probably built better.

Anyway, good to read folks are still considering reel to reels. If really want to invest, my money's on the Pioneer series. If on a budget you can probably find the Teac for under 50 bucks. They're very easy to learn/work on.

FWIW

--Bruce

"Reel to reel is still the king!" :thmbsp:
 
What about GX-646 Akai or Teac X-1000R

I found a GX-646 Akai or Teac X-1000R close by. which is better? parts? should i hold out?
 
I found a GX-646 Akai or Teac X-1000R close by. which is better? parts? should i hold out?

I would buy neither. Both are plastic consumer level decks.

Hold out for a nice RT-707 or 909. Or one of the higher end Teac decks. Most Teac decks can be serviced as well. The X series of Teac decks are ones to stay away from....as are all Akais.
 
Or find a Sony TC 765 ..........

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Sonically beats the living daylight out of many other decks, and just candy for anyones eyes - it's a beuty !
I totally agree. I have stated many times that this is my very favorite consumer format machine. The most versatile machine for cheap is undoubtedly an Otari, but this one just sounds amazing, and is gorgeous too.

The only other consumer machine which I like as well is the Tandberg TD-20A SE. I even prefer this unit over most of my Revoxes, and that is high praise.

FWIW - Whoever took that picture didn't know how to properly thread the machine.
 
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I just want to say I would disagree with the 'avoid all Akai' sentiment. They made plenty of good decks, that are still out there and working. I have had a GX-266D for over 20 years and love it. There are issues and models to watch out for with every brand.
 
I'll throw in my vote for the Sony TC-630. *Great* sounding unit, reliable and easy to work on if needed. Not a bad looker either. :thmbsp:

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