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Which would you choose if you had to.....?

dirtman

dirtman

The Dirtman
I am contemplating purchasing one of these two pieces. Pioneer SA-8800 or Marantz 1060. Both are in need of minor (i hope) repairs. The choosen one will be fed off a Marantz SR 6000DC receiver and will power 2 sets of 6.5", 2 way, 4 ohm - 80 watt Pioneer car speakers mounted in vented boxes in the ceiling of my kitchen and bathroom. I'm leaning towards the Marantz since it will be a better looking match the receiver, but the Pioneer has more power and is very well respected as well. I also may have more options in the future with the Pioneer. Is there any other things I should be considering? Known problems? Potential repair surprises? Thanks!
 
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I have both amps, both recapped, both sound great. The Pioneer is double the power, has phono setttings, and cool blue meters. The Marantz is a cap coupled amp that has much the same sound as a 2230 but with a better preamp section. Tough call.
 
If a turntable is not involved, do the Marantz - they are classics in their own genre :)

If a TT is in the mix, do the Pioneer - having the cartridge loading options is a must if taping or ripping from vinyl :)
 
The choosen one will be fed off a Marantz SR 6000DC receiver and will power 2 sets of 6.5", 2 way, 4 ohm - 80 watt Pioneer car speakers mounted in vented boxes in the ceiling of my kitchen and bathroom.
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Neither will last very long with a 2 ohm load unless you wire the speakers in series rather than in parallel.
 
The 1060 will have less low bass with 4 ohm speakers unless you recap it and replace the coupling caps with a higher value.
 
avioic nailed it. I would set money aside for some 8ohm home speakers before I bought the amp.
 
I know it sounds like over kill for a "house amp" but one speaker set is above the island in the kitchen which makes for a sweet spot and tends to be a gathering place. The 2nd floor bath is huge, centered in the house and has to be walked through to get from the front to the rear so it fills the second floor which my wife likes. I had a modern RCA "30wpc" cheapy hooked to it before and it did suprisingly well considering the load.
"ItsTooLoud" - I'm not sure about 2ohm. The speakers say 4ohm on the back. My tech friend was really suprised the RCA could do it. I never paid attrention when i installed them 10 years ago.
I was planning on A+B for the two rooms so they would be switchable.
I bought the Pioneer and I will probably buy the Marantz too; play with both and just sell one of them at some point.
I'm getting the impression that the 4ohm car speakers were not such a good idea after all? I have a pile of (10) JBL Industrial Series Model 8140 Co-Motional ceiling speakers I picked up cheap. (see pics). They are 8ohm but I haven't tested the cause I'm not sure how to hook them up. Not to mention the mess it will make cutting the hole in the ceiling boxes bigger. These speakers are a curiousity for me though.
 

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Using the 1060 for kitchen/bathroom duties is like hiring Avril Lavigne to clean your bathroom. There's a better application for the "goods". Get the 1060, leave the SR6000 for bathroom duties, and then save the 1060 for a later project . . . like a small, personal "man-cave/listening-room". :thmbsp:
 
I have a 10x16 "man cave" I built in the back of my garage. That's where my SA-5760 resides with 2 sets of JBLs. It "shake the cloths on your back" loud in there. Anyone have ideas about the JBL ceiling speakers? I'm reluctant to even hook them up to anything cause of the transformer on it.
 
I'm going to assume that the transformer is part of a crossover, but I'd wait for more informed opinions before passing a verdict.

As far as 2ohm loads go, connecting two sets of 4ohm speakers to the A and B speaker set outputs on the amp, and running them both at the same time, will present the amp with a 2 ohm load, and neither of these amps will tolerate that for long. They'll cook themselves. One set of 4ohm speakers at a time is fine for the 1060. I don't know about the Pioneer. Two 8ohm sets of speakers, however, would present the amp with a 4ohm load, if ran at the same time, and that would be fine.

I wouldn't hesitate to use the 1060 for kitchen duty, since that's where mine resides (computer/kitchen/dining). A lot of time is spent in there, and I think that warrants a good-sounding setup.
 
"ItsTooLoud" said:
I'm going to assume that the transformer is part of a crossover, but I'd wait for more informed opinions before passing a verdict.
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I don't think so, it looks very like the transformers used in 70 volt CV lines. Industrial applications, many speakers driven at long distance by one amplifier kind of thing; each speaker with its own drop-down transformer, sometimes in the box or sometimes mounted on a control board. Speakers could be switched on or off as required from the control board. Jukebox manufactures (especially Seeburg) used them. I had a Seeburg DS160 on site in a pub. The Jukebox was in the 'nice' bar, the extension speakers three rooms away in the pool room were fed off CV lines and had their own volume control.
 
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Train wreck...

Well... The 4 ohm ceiling speakers "cooked" two of my receivers this week. I thought they could handle them if only one set on at a time, but no. My Mitsubishi DA-R35 popped and stopped. The Yamaha R300 - B/Right is not working now. The Mitsubishi is dead and will not power up at all. Feeling pretty dumb right about now. I hooked up my Linn Inteck (not the best sounding IMO) amp for the holiday weekend and will rethink the whole thing next week. Any ideas about the repairability of these two receivers? I only found one fuse on the Mit and it was OK. Strange there is no power at all. I'm not sure if B/Right was working on the Yami before since I had only test the a side.
 
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