Yamaha YP-D71, etc. - Neglex Interconnects

hakaplan

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From what I'm reading, Neglex 2496 was the interconnect cable used on most of the high end Yamaha turntables. It's very thick and feels like its decent quality, unlike cable used on most other vintage tables. Any opinions from the Yamaha users here--satisfied with the sound? Has anyone replaced it and achieved improvement?

After I got my YP-D71 working I couldn't believe that it sounded better than my PL-630. Then it dawned on me--the Yamaha had these nice thick cables while the Pioneer had junk. I put Petra cables on the Pioneer and now it's back as King of the Hill. Would a cable replacement be in order for the Yamaha as well or would I be wasting my time--in other words, how good are the Neglex cables?
 
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Replaced the ICs on my YP-71 with these http://www.wasatchcableworks.com/PD-402.htm and thought it was a nice up-grade and worth the cost. Believe I used a 1m set rather than the current 1.5m. Did the same on a PF-1000 that I used for a while. Same worthy results.

Am in the process of rewiring my YP-D10 with silver wires from Aural Thrills. Tom will build you a set for about the same price as the Wasatch. kennytoma@verizon.net Tell him that, as a satisfied customer, I sent you.
 
Actually, Glenn, I just went ahead and changed the ICs this evening. Yamaha lists their ICs as low impedance cable (which is really insignificant), but with a capacitance of 130pF (which is very significant). That's 40+pF a foot compared to todays decent cable at 12-17pF. The difference is astounding. But If I do ever decide to go silver, I'll keep your recommendations in mind and appreciate the referral.
 
hakaplan said:
From what I'm reading, Neglex 2496 was the interconnect cable used on most of the high end Yamaha turntables. It's very thick and feels like its decent quality, unlike cable used on most other vintage tables. Any opinions from the Yamaha users here--satisfied with the sound? Has anyone replaced it and achieved improvement?

After I got my YP-D71 working I couldn't believe that it sounded better than my PL-630. Then it dawned on me--the Yamaha had these nice thick cables while the Pioneer had junk. I put Petra cables on the Pioneer and now it's back as King of the Hill. Would a cable replacement be in order for the Yamaha as well or would I be wasting my time--in other words, how good are the Neglex cables?
Howard the Petras improved the sound that much. How hard was it to change em?
Maybe I will do my SL1800MKII when I have mine apart to paint the plinth.
Thanks.
 
Stanton681EEES said:
Howard the Petras improved the sound that much. How hard was it to change em?
Maybe I will do my SL1800MKII when I have mine apart to paint the plinth.
Thanks.
John, it's worth it. Just some FYI first. I learned this by accident. Petra makes two different cables, audio and video. The audio is the equivalent of Belden 89259 (stranded core, braided shield), and the video is the equivalent of Belden 1694A (solid core, braided + foil shield). Both have low capacitance around 17pF per foot. I have used both and they yield the same degree of improvement. However, 1694A is better shielded and protects better against EMI coming from power cords, etc. The disadvantage is that it's not as flexible as the 89259. I bought the 5-pack thinking they were all the same, but there were two audios and three videos.

After putting the audios on the PL-630, it did hum when the cables were hanging down the back near the power cords and other electronics. When pulled around the front of the table the humming disappeared. Unless you really need the extra flexibility, use the video cables. I used them on the Yamaha, and no hum near power cords. Most prudent approach is to buy the 12 foot set of the three video cables. It will make 3 pairs of ICs when cut in half. I have been making mine 5 feet long.

Starlink, where I bought the first set of Petras is out of business due to the death of the owner. Here's another source. Even if shipping is $10, that comes to $6 per set of ICs. Hard to beat that.

http://www.sjgreatdeals.com/pet10-5012.html

If making cables yourself (using stock cable and attaching your own connectors), the best to use is Belden 1505F. Its double braided shielding is the best protection from EMI according to Blue Jeans Cable, who tested different cables. Plus it has braided core--don't know if that adds flexibility--it might be offset by the double shielding.

For prefab cables, if you don't mind paying more than Petra (but still a bargain when you consider what you're getting), Blue Jeans has developed their own cable that combines all the best qualities, including ultra low capacitance @ 12pF/foot, which naturally makes longer runs possible.

Usually there is a circuit board to which the ICs are connected--I think that's the case with the 1800MK2. It's just a matter of desoldering the old ones and soldering the new ones. Just make sure you know what goes where. You also need to buy some stranded wire for the ground wire. Usually the only problems occur in physically routing the cable out of the table--some modifications may be necessary. Petra is usually much thicker than the OEM cable. Good luck!
 
Have you got a digital camera? Starting off with a few pic's of the original is helpful. Provides an easy review of what goes where should you get lost.
 
Howard - I've got a PL-600 and a Dual CS-607 that I think could both benefit from an IC change. Your post is giving me the incentive to give it a try. I care less about the 607 than the 600, so I'm thinking that I'd start there to practice before I move on to the 600.

Question - I'm not much with a soldering iron, and I've never tried anything like this before. Is this something that only someone with experiece should attempt?
 
whell said:
Howard - I've got a PL-600 and a Dual CS-607 that I think could both benefit from an IC change. Your post is giving me the incentive to give it a try. I care less about the 607 than the 600, so I'm thinking that I'd start there to practice before I move on to the 600.

Question - I'm not much with a soldering iron, and I've never tried anything like this before. Is this something that only someone with experiece should attempt?
I also have a PL-600 and I'll try to get it open within the next week or so to see how its configured. In fact, maybe I'll go ahead and change the ICs on that, as well. This time I'll take pictures and post them for you. If I were you I would find a junk board from any old electronic appliance that you're not using and practice soldering wires to a connection. I'd also google soldering and brush up on the specifics. I'm not a tech--I've just soldered stuff on occasion over the years, so unless it's an unusually difficult configuration, I don't see why you couldn't do it.
 
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