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Opinion Piece - Vintage Manuals and the Death of Vintage Hi-Fi (Please Read)

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EchoWars

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Need a manual? What do you do? Who do you look to? A free online PDF? Or do you prefer (as I do) a good printed reproduction? Well, it is possible that manuals for many of the more uncommon vintage receivers, amps, preamps and oddball add-ons may disappear before too long.

Why is that? Consider that those who sell reproductions of service manuals survive on sales of the most popular gear. Pioneer SX-1250’s, Kenwood KR-9600’s, Yamaha CR-2020’s, Marantz 2275’s, and so on. You get the idea. But these people are also the keepers of documentation for the weird and unusual items of the vintage genre. The Tandberg TR-1040A, the Yamaha UC-1, the Luxman M-6000, the Rotel RB-5000. I could list hundreds of these esoteric pieces...gear that we’d seriously like to own and would buy in a heartbeat if the opportunity came along and the price was right.

But what do you do when this esoteric piece needs work? You don’t have a service manual, and your tech probably doesn’t either. You head out on-line, hoping to find a free one (which is doubtful), but you’d be happy to pay nearly any price for a decent copy. Lo and behold, that place you heard about that sold manuals is no longer doing so and has gone out of business. Nobody can help, nobody has one. And if your tech is like me, he hasn’t got the time to reverse-engineer your gear (its bloody hard work to do, and prone to major errors, not to mention the fact that YOU are going to foot the bill for his time to do it). The vendor stopped selling because all the popular manuals are available for free online somewhere, or as cheap protected PDF’s that too many have decided are ‘good enough’.

Nevermind that a downloaded PDF may be a horrid copy. Nevermind that a manual on your computer is tedious (at best) to use. Nevermind that you have to pay $60+ for inkjet ink for your printer, so that ‘free’ manual is not so ‘free’ if you decide to print it out and use ¼ of your ink cartridge. Nevermind that you have to print out schematics in bits and pieces and tape them together if you want a hard copy because your printer is limited to 8 ½” x 11” paper. Nevermind that double-siding is almost out of the question, and single-sided printing of any manual over 20 or so pages makes it an incredible PITA to read. It was ‘free’, right? So you got a deal...

Those who make free manuals available online do so ‘for the good of the audio community’, and I have every reason to believe that their intentions are altruistic. But I don’t think very many of these people has considered the real danger that this does as a whole to the hobby. And those that sell PDF's online often (make that: usually) sell the PDF with passworded protection to limit what you can do with it to protect their interests, and since the manual is coming off their rented server space and they are generally charged according to server activity, it is in their best interest to keep the document as small as possible (read: poor copy quality).

Those who sell printed and bound manuals are not there to ‘rip you off’...they are a business like any other...offering a product at a price that they hope will make it worth your while to buy. And the ones that want to stay in business will do everything in their power to make sure that you are happy with what you bought. But, as I said earlier, what keeps their business alive is the sale of the most popular manuals...the ones you are most likely to find online in PDF form, perhaps free. For every Rotel RB-5000 manual they sell, they sell 1,000 Pioneer SX-1250 manuals. Yet they sit there with that Rotel manual tucked away in a file cabinet, ready and waiting for the time that some poor slob like me needs it...and those slobs like me are eternally grateful that they have managed to stay in business long enough to make it possible for me to buy a copy from them, otherwise that beautiful amp is pretty damn unlikely to ever get repaired.

So I want you all to think about this a bit. How much sense does it make to buy that wonderful Pioneer SX-1980 that you’ve been wanting for so long, and paid $2000 for, yet when you need a manual you have some aversion to spending $30 for a printed copy and download a free one? How much sense does it make to buy that great Marantz 2385, just like the one you sold to a buddy back in 1982 and have kicked yourself for selling ever since - yet even though you value your time greatly you spend 4 or 5 days combing the web trying to find a free copy of that manual? How much sense does it make to spend even $15 on a PDF purchased on the web or through eBay for a questionable scan of a manual, when you could have a printed copy in-hand for $10 or $20 or $25? How much sense does it make to buy a PDF where printing a single page or copying and ‘blowing up’ a section of the schematic cannot be done because the seller has protected the document? (No, they are unlikely to tell you this up front...you get to discover it later when you really need that manual.)

I’ll tell you right now, it doesn’t make a damn bit of sense. Those who love this old gear like I do have to realize that it isn’t just the owners of the equipment that keep this hobby going...we need guys who also love the gear and who understand the electronics enough to fix ‘em when they have problems. We need manufacturers to keep producing parts that can be used to replace the originals when they go bad. And just as much as we need these things, we need guys who have collections of thousands of manuals, some common, some extremely rare, so that when you finally buy that über-rare piece that had a total production run of 250 you can still find a service manual for it. Because the death of these manual sellers will be just as fatal to your piece of gear as that unobtainium part that dies, or just as disastrous as when you learn that the only guy who knew the piece well enough to fix it has retired and can’t help you.

No, we’ll never get to the point where you can’t find a manual for your Pioneer SX-1250. But won’t this hobby get awfully damn boring if the only gear we can keep running is the stuff that manufacturers sold tens of thousands of? Use your brains, gentlemen. The spokes of the wheel that keep this hobby going depend on your seeing the big picture.

Thanks for letting me rant.

EW
 
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Amen to that...

I am glad I have found paper SM's for all my gear. Like you say, even if you happen to get a good pdf version, it is a pain in the butt to use.

I scan my SM's for other people to use free of charge, but like my own paper copies.
 
EchoWars, very true and very insiteful. THANKS!!! :thmbsp:
I hadn't really thought about it before, but having the best manual available does add to the enjoyment of using this gear.
A low res printout doesn't add much at all and is combersome to use.
Thanks for opening my eyes [and others I am sure].

Bruhl
 
WELL SAID!!! AMEN!!! :thmbsp:

Everyone wants things free, easy, and yesterday. Sort of the same mentality that eventually sees iPods replacing those SX-1250s as the music source of choice, too. All too often, short-sided short-term actions lead to unfortunate long-term consequences. You make an elegant case for patronizing manual-sellers in this case, EW. Well done!

I recently found an ORIGINAL paper copy (not a reproduction) of a service manual for a very rare Marantz boombox, of all things. Online, $14.95 plus shipping. Absolutely worth every penny. Not a reproduction, an original - from a site selling lots of manuals. Maybe it was one of those places EW is talking about, going out of business and liquidating their stock. Or maybe they had already scanned it in and decided they didn't need to keep the original. Maybe there was zero demand for that particular manual for several years (wouldn't surprise me at all - it is that rare), so they decided to dump it rather than continue to store it. Maybe it was cheap because they figured hardly anyone would want it, so low demand=low price. I don't know, but I happen to own that box, so I got it.

Having a nicely-bound, clearly printed 48-page document with detailed exploded drawings and such that never would have been scanned to a PDF half as well, and would have cost me even more in ink to print out (at far less resolution!), as EW points out, is a Godsend, any time that piece needs repair. It happens that my particular example of that particular box needed lots of needs repair when I got it. You'd think a boombox would be a simple thing to repair. Well, yes and no. With the manual, troubleshooting and repair --and most importantly, getting everything re-assembled correctly! LOL-- is just much, much easier, and much, much faster.

In contrast, when I started rebuilding my Sansui 9090, I started working from one of those free PDF downloads. Several times I could NOT make out clearly some critical values on listed components, because the scan was not clear. I had to print things out, and then go back and fill in some info by hand, waste time looking for verification that what I thought I was seeing was correct, etc... A good paper copy would have made the whole process go MUCH smoother and more easily -- and the time savings alone would have been worth the money. I managed to get through most of the rebuild without an original manual, but I will probably go buy a good paper copy, anyway -- because working from that lousy PDF was an exercise in frustration at times, and I plan to open it back up and rebuild the last couple of boards that I haven't yet done. I want a REAL manual when I do. That free scan was worth about what I paid for it!

When you go to re-sell gear (if you ever do), having the manual with it adds to the resale value. Even if you never sell it, the peace of mind of knowing that the manual is there, so either yourself or any decent tech (assuming you have access to a decent one when the time comes!) can repair it, is worth something.

What EW says makes a lot of sense, both micro- and macro-economically. If we do not support the people who make these manuals available, then we have only ourselves to blame when one day we need a manual and no one is there to supply it. I'm sold on the value of paper manuals. Even though it "hurts" sometimes to pay out the money for a small booklet, the information is invaluable, and worth it.

Of course, you'd think with computer technology going the way it is, with costs dropping all the time, and with no one demanding royalties on these manuals, at some point we should be able to get 50,000 rare manuals in ultra-high-quality scans, for fifty bucks or something equally cheap. If there was competition among the manual-sellers (but not from FREE sources), then they would be encouraged to consider producing such resources. But until and unless such a day comes, we need to support the support the people who do the high-quality scans to begin with --otherwise, that day will NEVER come, and these relatively rare (but vital for those who own the gear) manuals will effectively disappear.

Of course, the even more depressing thought is that, even if we all were to order all out manuals in nice paper scan-prints from well-stocked dealers, we might not add up to enough demand to keep their businesses going. While more people may start to collect vintage gear, eventually the pool will shrink, and will be confined purely to a limited number of collectors, and eventually most of their surviving gear will already be accompanied by manuals. It is a business with a limited and gradually-shrinking demand. The disappearance of some (eventually most/all but perhaps one-?) of these manual sellers is probably inevitable, even if we do not hasten the end by grabbing freebies.
 
One other avenue to try, check with your local library for Sams Photofacts.Mine has access to many of them and they will get copies from other branches.
 
this was quite a few years ago, but I had an old Centrex (Pioneer) 8-track deck and needed a manual. I wreote Pioneer requesting info on where to get one and to my suprist they sent me a xerox copy. On top of that it was legible!
 
So if I read EW's post correctly, he is saying to buy the paper manuals from a manuals supplier to keep that business viable and open. But then I read that folks are supplying free scans, recommending Sam's from the free library and getting free manuals from the manufacturer. Wasn't EW talking about "Feeding your supply chain" (thanks Whitehall) to keep them in business so they will be there tomorrow when you need them most?
 
Very well said!

I try and hoard manuals and have quite a few but some are very difficult to come by.

Knowing how important they can be to a new owner, I usually include originals when I have them although it hurts to give them up. However, it is the proper thing to do so my collection is not what it once was.

Barry
 
Wasn't it CULater that got a bunch of manuals from another AK'er that got them out of a dumpster?

Thought there was supposed to be digital scans of those manuals... :scratch2:

Did that ever happen? :dunno:

Excellent advice as always Glenn... I know that's been a sore spot with you for some time over the years... :yes:

Scott
 
i just have 1 question does anybody know where to find or buy a SM for a Project/One dc series mark 600 cause i would really like to get my hands on one incase my reciever decides to die on me :(
 
Feed your supply chain....in B-school talk.
Rgr that.

So if I read EW's post correctly, he is saying to buy the paper manuals from a manuals supplier to keep that business viable and open. But then I read that folks are supplying free scans, recommending Sam's from the free library and getting free manuals from the manufacturer. Wasn't EW talking about "Feeding your supply chain" (thanks Whitehall) to keep them in business so they will be there tomorrow when you need them most?
Exactly what I mean.

I'll fully admit that I have lumped all PDF vendors into an undesirable group, and I'll agree that that is probably unfair. But, the vast majority of PDF's are hopelessly inferior to a good printed copy of a manual, and with few exceptions the documents are protected and the user has restricted rights with the document, which can be maddening if you need to print and 'blow up' one section of the manual (one notable exception is the Sansui manuals available at http://www.obsinc.us/Dep_VOVS.htm). PDF's have their place, and I have both PDF's and printed copies of many manuals.

'Free' has a price in the long run, and that means the homogenization of the hobby in general, which I consider to be a very bad thing.
 
You Are Absolutely Correct!

Thanks for letting me rant.

EW


I purchase Service Manuals for everything I plan to keep for any length of time, and or, is a good example of a worthwhile piece. I'll come clean and admit, that from time to time, I seek out the "freebie" Owner's manual as it has been my experience that with a lot of kit I have collected, it is essentially worthless as far as USEFUL information goes. This is most often the case with my '80s stuff.

Your piece is not a rant at all. It is a story that NEEDS TO BE TOLD, in about 1,000,000 other instances as well. Again and again and again.

It is my view that this behavior is yet another DEFINITIVE PROOF of this "culture's" addiction to the DIGITAL NARCOTIC, which only continues to perpetuate the "me firstism", throw away, "buy it based on price point' insanity which is rapidly eroding what little manufacturing base we have left, and the ability to recognize ANYTHING of TRUE, OBJECTIVE QUALITY irrespective of country of origin. It is also a major contributing factor to the cultivation of a generation (for the most part) of IDIOT, NO COMMON SENSE OR ABILITY, CHILDREN.
Amazing that bleeding edge technology may very well be the last nail in our coffin.
Thank you for your post,
Craig
 
Hosted bandwidth and space is cheap, and getting cheaper by the day.

Therefore:

1) It doesn't cost them (manual sellers) to keep manuals indefinately
2) It doesn't cost them anything to make the manuals high-resolution.

As far as your cost, Kinko's can make a PDF into a printed manual in no time and for little cost.

my $.02.
 
EchoWars...great milestone read!!

I've been fortunate to be able to track down original service/user manuals and other documents for most of the gear I have. Lot of the times it came with the gear. Because now most of the gear I have is here to stay. They are not only handy in case of repairs but it's part of the history of the equipment. I have had to purchasing pdfs or printed copies but I do gladly. It's all part of the whole experience for me.

We are only the present care taker of all this stuff. Hopefully long after we are all gone a new generation will be able to appreciate, enjoy and care for the gear. And without the quality manuals and source for the manauls it going to be very tough.

Whether it's free or not the old vintage gear will eventually need them.

Cheers
 
EW, Quite a post on the crest of 10,000. I agree completely. We all need to keep our hobby alive.

Manuals and reference materials also help me keep my Victrolas alive.
 
Devil's advocate, eh? I'll bite.
Hosted bandwidth and space is cheap, and getting cheaper by the day.
True, to a point. Any hosted server space is overhead cost to such a business, and cheaper is always better. But you and I are only speculating until someone who actually runs such a site chimes in.
Therefore:

1) It doesn't cost them (manual sellers) to keep manuals indefinately
No argument here.
2) It doesn't cost them anything to make the manuals high-resolution.
If you are viewing this only from a filesize perpsective, you might have a point. But if the seller has any file manipulation to do (cleanup), it is much more time consuming to do at the high resolutions. Assuming that the pages are scanned and no cleanup is done, you may be right. But I have seen precious few good-quality PDF manuals. I have 60 or 70 pdf manuals that I've collected over the years, and I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) how many of them are decent high-resolution scans.

Just because it is possible to offer a good quality PDF doesn't mean that it is being done. Much more often than not, it isn't.
As far as your cost, Kinko's can make a PDF into a printed manual in no time and for little cost.

my $.02.
I've done this a few times in the past. For a 30 page manual, with 2 or 3 tabloid-size foldouts, you're going to spend $5 to $8 to have it printed and bound. If you paid $15 to download it from an online PDF vendor, where's the savings?

Download a free SX-1980 manual and take it to Kinko's. This point of your argument falls apart rather quickly.
 
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