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Pop-pop, fizz-fizz - oh what a preamp this is. Hyperion BEC-P25T

w1jim

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I'm in the process of restoring (I hope) an Audio Research D-350B (OK, it's solid-state) power amplifier.
But I needed a preamp. I put out the word and an AKer offered up this Hyperion BEC-P25T - it's a modern tube preamp.

In reading what few reviews there are out there I determined that it was well regarded sonically but it had reliability issues.

Here's the closest to a review from 6moons:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/hyperion4/tubepre.html

It appears that - while this has been on the market since at least 2006 it is still a current product since Hyperion lists it on their website:
http://www.hyperionsound.com/amplifiers.htm

I have been trying for the last week to contact them by phone and email to determine if in fact this is a bad cap scenario or another design flaw. The phone answers with a message and the email doesn't bounce back so all I can figure is that the company is out of business or close to it.
A pity since they appear to make excellent products (notable speakers) and have a reputation for superb customer support.

Well, the deal on the preamp was such that even if it didn't work I'd still be OK for parts alone. And it was NIB (aka New In Box)!

I decided that I'd burn it in (hopefully not 'up') for a week before putting it in a system.
After 40 hours - puff - one of the power supply caps popped (100uf/400v).
Sounds like a case of the 'bad cap plague' - time to recap this baby.

I've ordered the power supply caps from mouser and I've already recapped the logic control board.

This preamp has some neat features like a remote control and high build quality.
In an effort to minimize the signal path the volume potentiometer is mounted on the main PCB and activated by a motor that is in turn controlled by the front mounted pot or the remote.
The chassis is filled with about 1/2" of epoxy to alleviate microphonics too.

Hopefully I'll have this up and running by the end of the week - maybe I'll schlep it along to our get together.


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The "bad cap plague" is for real. Last fall I got an emergency time compliance technical order to inspect all of the motherboards and power supplies in the simulators I maintain for the Army and Marines.

Thankfully, all of mine were ok!

Any idea where those caps were made?
 
The one that popped doesn't have a manufacturer name on it but some others are made by the illustrious Yungli Electronics Company in China.
The unit itself doesn't say where it's built but I'm certain it's China as well.
The tubes are Russian electro harmonix.
Generally it's a really cool unit; they just didn't some simple simple details - like burn in.
 
Progress is being made - the power supply PCB is recapped with Nichicon parts - certainly more reliable then the pop-caps.

Before reassembly I'm trying to figure out how to put in a tape loop in case I want to add a signal processor at a later date.


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All Jims on this thread are hams - Originally licensed in 1969 as a novice (WN2QHO) and relicensed in the mid eighties reaching the goal of a (13WPM) extra aka extra lite.
 
Argh, not as easy as I thought it would be!

After recapping and installing the tape loop (4 RCA connectors on the back with a 4PDT switch to select in or out of the circuit) I powered it up to find that it blew the fuse.

Further investigation found that the 260VAC and 12VAC transformers were toast.

So, I am building an external 260 / 12 VAC power supply usig some Kepco industrial power supplies I just happened to have.
These will supply ample amps to say the least. I'll have to make a point of installing additional fuses on the output side of the transformers just to be on the safe side.

The tape loop circuitry required cutting the trace between the output of the relay banks and the input of the volume control. I tried to keep the lead lengths short which is why i put the switch on the rear.



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Hey, whatever happened to this thing, is likely the question that has been stewing for the last year.

After building the external transformer assembly I found that the recurring problem is that there is a design flaw of some sort on the power supply of this.

Ultimately I have decided to use the remote, volume and switching assemblies of this and build a basic preamp with opamp circuitry.
I have finished the control power supply and am awaiting parts for the preamp and phono (mm) stages.
Stay tooned, as is said...

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The FrankenPreamp project is advancing.

I've designed and built the power supply for the control of the front panel and relay switching (and IR remote sensor) as well as the loudness and phono amp sections.
I purchased a loudness circuit but have upgraded all the caps with Nichicon and Wima parts.
The loudness will be controlled by the small toggle switch to the right of the power switch.
Still to be installed is a balance control which will mount just to the left of the volume control.
The volume control on the face is motorized (activated by the remote control) and has a servo which activates another motor which turns the actual potentiomenter which is located on the circuit board (centrally mounted towards the rear).
The 2 green LEDs under the volume control show the direction the knob is rotated and the delay of the PCB mounted pot.

I'm waiting for the lline preamp and phono preamp PCBs to arrive from China.
For the signal wires I'm using industrial "plenum cable" which has 2 leads and is fully shielded.

More to come...


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I'm surprised you didn't use the tube preamp board and just build a ps for it.
It looks almost the same as many of the aftermarket boards,except for the relays for switching inputs
 
I certainly could have followed the tube design but I was getting so frustrated with all the smoke coming out of the power supply (transformer, cap and choke failures) I just decided to just go the route I'm most familiar with.

BTW - grew up down the street from you in Monticello and help run an automotive rally race in Rock Hill in April.
 
Even though it's only a stones throw from here, I've never been there(Rockhill). it would be something different to see.I used to go as far as Monticello when I worked for Sears as a service tech.
Are all of the black boxes on the original ps transformers?
 
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Even though it's only a stones throw from here, I've never been there(Rockhill). it would be something different to see.I used to go as far as Monticello when I worked for Sears as a service tech.
Are all of the black boxes on the original ps transformers?
Well, if you are free the weekend of April 26th swing on out to Rock Hill (it's only 25 minutes west on route 17 from you):
http://esprally.com/

I'm not entirely sure what all those black boxes are - there is no schematic available for this unit.
Online references imply that they are some kind of a voltage regulator. The power supply PCB gets a high voltage input from the transformers on the left of the unit.

Got the line amp (preamp) and the phono amp installed yesterday. Did a few upgrades - primarily increasing the power supply caps from 1,000uf to 3,300uf - and am just awaiting a few caps from Mouser to complete the build.
Hopefully I'll see the power amp modules for my Audio Research derived "Franken Amp" soon and then we'll see how this all works out.
 
Progress

Great progress is being made.

I've got the preamp stage, phono stage, power supply and a CMOY headphone amplifier all operational.
Now time for some level tweaking and get on with my amplifier project.


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I wish I could have the knowledge to build or repair those amps. I am a 6 ham call extra class but circuit boards are not my thing. Good work
 
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