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dust cover sounds

taylor611

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Anyone ever noticed this?
My dust cover seems to act like a big diaphram and transmits the sound vibrations from my speakers back into my turn table. It makes a low rumbling sound. Should I play it opened or dampen it with a pillow or something?
Has anyone else had this problem and if so what to do?

Thanks

Taylor
 
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Right after many get serious about Vinyl they understand the dust cover is for when its not in use and is very bad for the table when in use.....atleast we should hope anyone serious does this, if you cant hear a problem with the dust cover on then you likely dont have a very good set-up IMO
 
I remember this debate from the 70s. Here is my take. If it is a well build dust cover, like my Lux PD 121 has, it will probably not vibrate and might insulate the tonearm from air borne disturbances. If the dust cover is thin, like many of my other turntables, it will probably resonate at some frequency and make a mess. That's my two cents. Patrick
 
It depends on what the dust cover is made of, how it is suspended, etc. It also depends on the SPL levels. If you are cranking that fi, that cover is gonna want to vibrate, baby!

I never play vinyl with the cover on. You can experiment and see for yourself if you can live with the coloration.
 
The better Japanese turntables have dustcovers made from 5 mm thick (a few are even thicker!) acrylic. They are probably not going to transmit resonances, as pacific stereo said --at least, not in the higher frequencies. However, there are still some issues.

In the down position, they can --because they are essentially large, hollow boxes with stiff sides-- act somewhat like resonators, at least at some frequencies. Think of drums. Think of string instruments. Think of how hollow-box style plinths compare to solidly-filled plinths. You are still putting a big, potentially resonant box over your table, probably not a good idea. How they are mounted --the hinge and bumpers-- might also make a difference, in helping to reduce the transmission of vibrations into the plinth, but it won't stop any air transmission under/inside the DC.

What about putting them up? In this position, they will act like a horn or ear trumpet, somewhat like those "Big Ear" listening devices, to reflect sound waves down towards the platter, record and (possibly microphonic) stylus and cartridge. Also not a good idea.

Ever notice how almost all dustcover hinges have a simple, easy way to remove and replace the dust cover (just slide it over and lift it off)? Why do that if the cover wasn't made to be removed? I think every mid-fi and high-end TT I've seen has this; only the very cheapest ones don't. That is, if they have a dust cover at all; some of the very high-end "exotic" tables don't have dust covers at all! I think this tells us something about what manufacturers think of dust covers.

What about dust? Realistically, how much dust will fall on a record as it is playing, during the time it takes to play it? Unless you live outdoors in the Gobi desert, it's a very minor consideration, weighed against the negative sonic effects of having the DC on.

With all these things weighing against them, I choose to take the prudent course and remove the DC when actually playing records, even if the DC is a heavy (5 mm) one. The rest of the time, I keep the DCs on, to protect the turntable from dust, as intended.

In fact, I go one step further with my best turntables when they are in sunlight and put clean, soft cloth over them, to help protect them --not just from dust and scratching (even just from wiping dust off!) --but from potential UV degradation due to sunlight. I got the idea from the old man who kept his (=now my) PL-C590 under a towel (when not in use) its entire life. After a couple decades, it still looked brand new!

All this said, I think a separate box, well-damped and insulated against sound, that completely covers the TT and its plinth/base, would IMPROVE sound. No more microphonic effects from the speaker sound affecting the pickup. But then --unless you made it from blown glass with a vacuum sucked out between them-- you wouldn't be able to see the records playing, and where's the fun in that?

Hhhhmmm, you COULD make a cabinet fairly easily with sides of pre-made double-paned vacuum glass (made for windows), with thinner wooden frame, using a beautiful wood that complements the TT base, with nicely-molded edges, and good sealants for where the panes are set in, to cover the whole TT and better isolate it from the environment. Might look good, and might work to improve sound. In fact, come to think of it, how about operating a TT inside of a vacuum? How would that affect sound, and what adjustments might have to be made? A nice DIY experiment... for my retirement! :D
 
Hum, I always thought the best practice was to leave it on while playing. Now I'm not so sure. I'll have to experiment with it one way then the other. Thanks for the info folks, always good to get the gray matter charged up again.....
 
I have 4 dogs. Dog hair is a part of life. Dust cover stays down, playing or not.

One thing that I've found helpful is the Magic Lion. Similar to the Panther that PumaCat uses on his turntable, Magic Lion is a brass lion with a marble base. My grandfather received it in the early 1960's for being a 25 Anniversary charter member of the Juneau, WI Lions Club. It weighs several pounds, and has felt feet under the marble, and is one of the few things I have to remember my grandpa.

I set it on top of the dust cover when the record is playing and it does a great amount to dampen and eliminate the problem.

You may also wish to look at your turntable's proximity to your speakers, and at turntable isolation in general. A well isolated turntable with a weighted dust cover shouldn't give you any problems AND it will keep airborne nasties off your table while it's playing.
 
Thanks for the responses people.
I think I'll just take it off when playing from now on

Then the LP itself becomes the big microphone which picks up the airborne vibrations we call sound. Experiment with removing the dustcover, but don't be surprised if you find yourself looking into different platter mats. And platter damping materials. Or just lowering the volume.

This is why the 3 point suspension tables became so popular in the 60's as the tone arm and platter are isolated from airborne assault against the LP. dustcover and plinth. Of course, floating suspensions which cure one set of problems introduce their own colorations along with other potential problems.

Hey, there's always headphones......
 
Some turntables can be played with the cover on and down without feedback. With those I use the cover, I figure who needs more dust in the grooves?
 
Right after many get serious about Vinyl they understand the dust cover is for when its not in use and is very bad for the table when in use.....atleast we should hope anyone serious does this, if you cant hear a problem with the dust cover on then you likely dont have a very good set-up IMO

Our opinions are guided by our experience, of course, but yours seems needlessly narrow. Rega recommends using their turntables with the dustcover down, and I think they can be considered serious about record playback. My own experience/opinion is that decks that seek to control vibration/resonance through dissipation (such as Rega and Linn) perform very well with the dust cover in place; decks that use mass, clamps, and/or dampening agents to suppress vibration/resonance (such as Well Tempered and VPI) are adversely affected when the dustcover is in place. Both systems can work well--I happily leave the dustcover in place when using my LP12 but remove it on my WTRP.
 
Right after many get serious about Vinyl they understand the dust cover is for when its not in use and is very bad for the table when in use.....atleast we should hope anyone serious does this, if you cant hear a problem with the dust cover on then you likely dont have a very good set-up IMO

Audio and turntables particularly are like bathrobes, "one size does not fit all"!
The performance of turntables varies by many factors. The isolation, how close to speakers, so on.....

I will say that I'm serious about records. I don't say vinyl since half my collection is "shellac".:D

I find no difference in sound with the dustcover up, removed, or down. This applies to both tables. But then again, my tables are nowhere near my speakers and sit on a table so heavy I could probably drive twenty penny nails into it with a ten pound sledge hammer and not make the table skip!:D

I also don't use weights or clamps on either table (with the exception of Hit-of-the-Week 78's).

You may say I don't have a good set-up, but I would disagree with you! Some systems would sound better with the dustcover removed or at least up. Others, it's the other way around. Nothing is ever carved into concrete. As with all things audio, let your ears decide!:music:
 
I subscribe to the no dustcover view. I've taken mine off my Rega and put it in storage-I've even removed the hinges from the back of the plinth for a cleaner look.

My reasons are firstly, because in the down position, as Arkay pointed out, they are hollow resonant boxes, and in the up position, they are just like sails on a sailboat, catching any air movement and transferring that energy down into the base. Both up and down I think dustcovers are looking for trouble.

Secondly, If I I had the dustcover on my 'table I know my cat would love to use it as a perch to sit and look out the window. Without the cover, it has a very uninviting look to him.

Thirdly, Don't like the way TTs look with dust covers on them.

So what about the dust? I just keep the platter covered with an old LP when I'm not using it.

:thmbsp:
 
Dustcover up or down makes no audible difference as far as I can tell on my SL-1200’s. But, then again, I rarely crank the volume and that turntable is extremely well damped.
 
I think if dustcovers were an inherently good idea, you'd see them on expensive turntables ($1k+) Or if you think their absence might be marketing at that price point, then they'd show up again around the $20k price point, but there are not there either.

When you do see dustcovers offered for high-end tables they totally cover the unit without touching it. (And cost $500+ dollars as an after market accessory.)
 
I like my TTs to be without dust covers when playing vinyl. I have a clear plastic printer cover to put over my Philips 887 when not in use.
 
Debated since the dawn of hi-fi.

If you like your dustcover down, as I do, enjoy. If you don't, remove it and enjoy. It has nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong.

I've spent a lot of time cleaning my records with a wet vac system and have invested in anti-static poly sleeves. Still, I dust each record before playing it. I'll be damned if I'm going to let airborne particles get ground into the grooves by the stylus after all that work if I can help it. And, with a little trial and error effort on my part with isolation materials and proper placement, there's no reason in the world that I can't operate my turntable with the dustcover down.

However, if you feel you're more of an audiophile by removing the dustcover, enjoy your newfound prestigious status in the audio world.
 
i leave them permanently off and simply leave an old record on the platter when not im use to keep the platter mat clean

...a cosmetic make-up brush makes a nice and effective duster for any other dust and debris that settles on the plinth or tonearm
 
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