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Quick Kef 104aB review

muovimies

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Got a pair of these recently, or to be precise they are the Kef 104aB Kit -version, which was sold without cabinets, though these seem to be professionally built, so I'm guessing maybe it was common practice for the importer to get the 104aB Kit and then have cabinets built locally and sell them as complete speakers, to avoid the shipping costs of large and heavy cabinets.

They are very heavy speakers, the cabinets seem sturdy enough but are a bit ugly with their black "wood" vinyl covering, I'm planning on replacing that with a self-adhesive cork, which I thought would look cool and give a nice surface, or if that for some reason doesn't work out then just stick some nicer wood vinyl on them.

I don't and have not owned a lot of speakers, so my only notable points of reference at this time are Wharfedale Diamond 8.3 floor standers and Telefunken TLX 2/4 (from around the same time as the Kefs, but these are smallish monitor type speakers) - the latter I have in my bedroom system and have never listened to them in my main system.

Initial listening impressions on the Kefs - first the somewhat negative:

These are very unexciting speakers, maybe even boring, that is on a quick listen. They are very inefficient as well for such a large speakers, rated 12.5 watts for 96dB at 1 meter, if I converted right I think that makes it 85dB @ 1W. There is plenty of bass and they seem to go pretty deep, but upper bass can be woolly sounding which can make the lower midrange sound muffled as well, but that's somewhat source dependentant.

Then the positive ... these speakers can sound amazingy natural, reed instuments like saxophone sound really good, I play the sax so I know the tone very well and these speakers really nail the creamy, thick midrange and breathiness AND the treble bite. They image well and quite 3-dimensionally. They are also very revealing speakers, which was a surprise for me, I wasn't expecting that. So source really matters and things like recording quality come through more clearly than on my other speakers (Wharfedale Diamond 8.3 floorstanders). Example of this - until these Kefs I never really realized how woolly and bass humby the Acutex LPM 312 STR can sound - as opposed to the Ortofon VMS 30 which exhibits great control and refinement in the bass. With my Wharfedales it's just a matter of the Acutex sounding bass heavier and the Ortofon sounding a bit leaner and somewhat more precise, but the difference is quite subtle. The Kefs revealed so much more about both and how big the difference really is. I have to say the imaging on the Acutex is really quite something though, the soundstage is just so stable and precise with that cart.

As it is, I'm growing more and more impressed with the Kef 104aB with every listen at the moment, something about them just speaks of quality, there's a certain sense of refinement and sophistication, like they were designed not to impress but to play music and do it well although perhaps somewhat politely.

Worth noting is that as far as I'm aware these speakers are in their original condition, so the crossovers are over 30 years old - how much effect that might have in their sound I can't begin to guess, I don't have a capacitance meter handy so can't tell if the caps have drifted.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience with your KEFs I've seen them for sale before and have always wondered.

I'll try some KEFs one day soon I hope!


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I own 2 pair right now. I have had the first pair since 1978! They are the double edged sword of speakers. With lots of clean power they can scare you. Deep bass is no problem because of the passive radiators. The T27's are very nice tweeters. I find piano music to be identical to the source. With two pair, and up off the ground about 22 inches, and up side down, stacked, they are almost like electrostatics. I have them flat, not toe in or toe out, and about 14 inches from the back wall. I have mine separated by 14 feet. They also let you hear, in great detail, everything that sucks in the system. I am a phono cart junky, and you can really hear a difference between them. If you really want a rush, listen to them about 3 feet from you and about 5 feet apart. They sound like the big brother of the Rogers LS3/5's.
 
You guys are making me want to get mine out of the closet and into service. The only reason they aren't is because I don't have any grills. My daughter (4 years old) is very good around my HiFi equipment, but as soon as the grills come off the speakers, she wants to investigate. At the moment I'm running some Canton Karat 30s, which have a see through metal mesh grill. Even these got her curious because she could see the drivers. If she can't see them, she won't bother them.

Lee.
 
I have a pair of these as well. As well as a pair of Calinda and a pair of Carlton III (similar driver configuration).

The 104ab sound terrific for their size. Yes, precision and natural sounding speakers may sound a bit boring as they don't provide their own coloration. But that's what you are wanting from speakers, right?

30+ years old capacitors (and especially the ones KEF were using back then) are almost certain to have drifted. Some may have drifted a lot. If you like what you hear now, replacing them with the correct assortment will please you plenty. Don't go crazy with $50 capacitors. Just order the 104ab assortment from Falcon acoustics in the UK.
 
I did A LOT more listening last night, and I have to take back some of the little criticism, these speakers don't sound muffled or woolly, they just sound like what you feed them with - after I switched cartridges, not once have I thought listening with the Ortofon that there's something wrong with the bass or midrange. For a while there I thought I might need a new amp, but since getting my source in order I realized there's nothing wrong with my little 35wpc Pioneer SA-510 - not that it doesn't have its shortcomings, but all things considered, it's a surprisingly able performer.

If you didn't notice, I've just grown more and more enarmored with these speakers :) It's one of those things where I've felt this "urge" to try out some Kefs for a long time, first I came upon another pair of Kef 104aB, but they had blown tweeters, then there was a very minty looking pair of Carlton III that I passed on for some bizarre reason, I think it was probably money :) It really bummed me when they finally sold, I was used to having the option of buying a pair of mint looking vintage Kefs for cheap locally. So when this pair appeared for sale, I jumped on it and I'm glad I did.

How revealing these are really caught me by surprise, it was not something I was expecting from almost 40 year old speakers, and I didn't realize the colorations my Wharfedales have - basically they make almost anything I feed at them sound good, which is not a bad thing for casual listening, but never do they exhibit the amount of depth these old KEFs have.

I'm looking into recapping the crossover with the Falcon acoustic kit, but I noticed the specs have different crossover SP-number for 104aB and 104aB Kefkit, which is what I have - does anyone know if there's a difference in parts or design, or if it's just a difference of casing or something?

Also just curious, soundwise, what do you feel is the difference between something like the 104aB and Carlton III, basically a very similar design, but the latter with T33 tweeter vs. the T27?
 
I have both the 104 (turned 104ab at some point) as well as the Carlton III and Calinda - all similar designs with the T33 equipped Carlton being the stray brother...

They all sound similar considering...

The 104 seems to go less deep than the rest but the bass is more precise and punchy.
The Calinda and Carlton are pretty similar in the low end but the treble is a tad softer on the Carlton compared to the others.

All three will benefit from a layer of bitumen sheet glued along their inner baffles. Have done that to the Carlton and Calinda but not to the 104ab (out of respect to keep them as original as possible).

I'll probably build a pair of 104s but the enclosure will follow the form of the Carlton more - rotate the PR to a vertical orientation to achieve a narrow front baffle. I will certainly layer these with 9mm of bitumen sheet. It really takes the coloration out of the cabinet.
 
Try them as close field monitors for kicks. You'll be amazed at them close up. SURE, impractical for every day use, unless you have a studio, but for an evening or two its very eye opening.
 
Try them as close field monitors for kicks. You'll be amazed at them close up. SURE, impractical for every day use, unless you have a studio, but for an evening or two its very eye opening.

I have them currently about 5-6 feet apart and 6-7 feet to the listening spot - they sound amazing for focused listening like this but this arrangement in my room doesn't work for anything else, but I'm tempted to live with this setup :D Just leave the Wharfedales in the corners for background music, movies etc. and keep the Kefs on the spotlight for listening sessions.

I have to try near field, with the current setup it's just a matter of moving the chair :)
 
I own 2 pair right now. I have had the first pair since 1978! They are the double edged sword of speakers. With lots of clean power they can scare you. Deep bass is no problem because of the passive radiators. The T27's are very nice tweeters. I find piano music to be identical to the source. With two pair, and up off the ground about 22 inches, and up side down, stacked, they are almost like electrostatics. I have them flat, not toe in or toe out, and about 14 inches from the back wall. I have mine separated by 14 feet. They also let you hear, in great detail, everything that sucks in the system. I am a phono cart junky, and you can really hear a difference between them. If you really want a rush, listen to them about 3 feet from you and about 5 feet apart. They sound like the big brother of the Rogers LS3/5's.

I got them new about the same time as you did! :thmbsp:
 
You guys are making me want to get mine out of the closet and into service. The only reason they aren't is because I don't have any grills. My daughter (4 years old) is very good around my HiFi equipment, but as soon as the grills come off the speakers, she wants to investigate. At the moment I'm running some Canton Karat 30s, which have a see through metal mesh grill. Even these got her curious because she could see the drivers. If she can't see them, she won't bother them.

Lee.

Lee, mccarty350 turned me on to foamfactory.com where they stock 30 cell/inch open cell (reticulated structural foam) sheets used for filters but they specify it for speaker grilles. Relatively inexpensive as long as you like the color blackish gray, but a good replacement for the 104/104ab, JR149' and the last IMF speakers that used foam grilles. See the IMF owners thread for details.

As for the crossover, OP send Falcon pictures of your crossover and they will make sure you get the correct values. The ab version is the best version, and Falcon founder Malcolm Jones designed them and the speakers so you will be in good hands.

Also if anyone needed new T27 tweeters, Falcon is now making exact replicas.
 
30+ years old capacitors (and especially the ones KEF were using back then) are almost certain to have drifted. Some may have drifted a lot. If you like what you hear now, replacing them with the correct assortment will please you plenty. Don't go crazy with $50 capacitors. Just order the 104ab assortment from Falcon acoustics in the UK.

I'm looking into recapping the crossover with the Falcon acoustic kit, but I noticed the specs have different crossover SP-number for 104aB and 104aB Kefkit, which is what I have - does anyone know if there's a difference in parts or design, or if it's just a difference of casing or something?

Personally, I would just order caps from somewhere like Erse Audio. I don't think the 104aB is as critical for cap matching as the 104/2, or as we are lead to believe. I doubt if you could hear the difference between Erse electrolytics and the Alcaps that Falcon sells. I ordered all film caps for mine. Some people say the different ESR will throw the sound of the speaker out, others say the film caps will provide more clarity in the midrange and treble. Me? Life's too short to worry about this stuff, if I know they have new caps in them, my brain will tell me they sound better.

Lee.
 
Loved the sound of this model when I heard them at Natural Sound in Lincoln, NE back in the 70's. I remember they were available in kit form, several customers had designed their own cabinets with various results.
 
Re crossovers - I just checked and ordering the necessary caps for the crossovers from a local parts supplier would set me back about 10 EUR - I need to order some stuff soon anyway, so it would be the easier and cheaper route than getting the kit shipped from Falcon acoustics. I couldn't find a 5µF electrolytic so I would have to replace that with a 4.7µF - I figure at 6% difference this would be OK. Also the 0.3µF cap I would have to replace with a poly, while original is electrolytic - do you think this would make any difference? While I'm at it, I could change all the caps to poly, but would this change the sound of the speaker?
 
Just a little update on these speakers - I ended up getting more power to drive them, and that really opened up the bass frequencies even on low volumes, making the bass more solid and focused and the midrange more clear and open. Also, I set the HF contour knob to "+" because this really seems more neutral than the "neutral" let alone the "-" setting. On neutral it seems something like a heavy "BBC dip" is happening, making the sound overly warm.

I havent got around to rebuilding the crossovers since I can't detect any difference between the two speakers and I love the sound, which leads me to believe the originals might still be working close to spec, or at least have failed in a very similar manner between the two speakers :)

They sounded pretty good on a 35wpc Pioneer SA-510, but 100wpc JVC JR-S600mkII really opened them up, the pleasant surprise was even at low volumes the JVC makes them sing a lot better. The Pioneer, I had to crank the sound pretty loud before things started sounding right, which is kind of counter-intuitive, but so it goes.

Basically these speakers have made me go over everything from source to preamp and poweramp, since their revealing nature just brought things to my attention I never heard before. These make things like differences between phono preamps, turntables or cartridges very easy to hear... I'm still a bit buffled 40 year old speakers are so revealing, my presumption was they'd make everything sound the same pleasant vintage mush :D
 
Excellent review. Thanks for sharing. That's why this hobby is so fun, you can discover new things in the music at every turn.
 
I havent got around to rebuilding the crossovers since I can't detect any difference between the two speakers and I love the sound, which leads me to believe the originals might still be working close to spec, or at least have failed in a very similar manner between the two speakers :)

First, love mine.

Second, I just recapped mine last week with Falcon's 2% kit.
In regards to the originals:
One 3.3 and both .6 were waaaaaaaaay out of spec.

Sounded just fine to me before the recap and I'd been very happy for years, but afterwards there was an instant improvement in imaging and soundstage. I recapped one and didn't have time to jump into the next so I ended up listening to 1 recapped and 1 original for half an evening. Very noticeable between the two. Very happy I finally mustered the courage to get in there.

But like you say, you're happy now and so was I. Do them when you're ready, but I think you'll notice a change (for the better) too.

Naturally I can't speak towards any other replacement caps. I thought the .6 was hard to find, but I honestly never looked.
 
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