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Interesting article on the effect of spades, bananas, wire and solder

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Which somewhat confirms my assumption that less is more, and I prefer to use a bare wire when I can. Right now I am using AQ's mongo spades and they fit my terminals very nicely.
 
Hummm... Maybe this is why I like P/E compression banana - No solder and all of the wire/s are in contact with the banana

I do the 'in from the top' termination , not in from the side hole
 
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Spades, Bananas, Bare Wire, Solder, and Contact Force

By Steven Stone | April 29, 2013

You can't deny that one of the most contentious audiophile hot buttons is whether interconnect and speaker cable does or doesn't make an audible difference. Equally important, but less-often discussed, is how speaker cable terminations affect sound. Ask any "serious" audiophile about cable terminations and they will, more than likely, have a strong opinion that may or may not be based on fact.

Over the course of my time as an audiophile I've seen and heard more cable demonstrations than I care to remember. TAD/Pioneer speaker designer Andrew Jones put one of the most striking demos I've seen at RMAF in 2012. His demo was a simple A/B test. He had two sets speaker connections connected to the back of a pair of TAD speakers. One connection used a WBT five-way binding post while the other used a WBT copy. Nothing else in the signal chain was altered except for the WBT and non-WBT connectors. The difference between the two connectors was audible and not subtle. And the only difference was the termination hardware. My conclusion was that even the quality of the termination has an audible effect on a system's overall sound.


How many ways can you terminate speaker cable? Let me count the ways...first there are spade lugs, then banana plugs, Speakon connectors (which outside of pro audio sound reinforcement I've never seen used), Spring-loaded connection holes and small barrel connectors, and of course, bare wire.

But beyond the kind and shape of the speaker connectors used, there's the bigger issue of how they are attached to speaker wire. Most speaker cables that are not terminated in bare wire use solder somewhere in the termination to hold stuff together. Even some bare wire comes with soldered tips just to keep all the wires from becoming unstuck.


And stick together is what solder does well, but what solder does not do well is pass electrical signal. Be it premium ultra-fi silver solder or plain old lead-based plumber's solder, neither pass an electrical signal as well as bare metal. In fact in a well-designed termination, solder isn't used for its transmission properties, it's only used for its air-sealing and ability to "glue" two pieces of cable or cable hardware to one another in a way so that they will remain in tight air-sealed contact.

The most important aspect of a termination is how much wire in the cable is in direct and tight contact with the speaker connection. The tighter the connection, the less electrical resistance there will be. If you look at inexpensive speaker connections, you'll see that they often employ a single set screw to supply all the mechanical attachment. That's not a lot of surface area for a direct and intimate connection. If you look at a high-quality termination you'll find a much larger surface for the wire and termination hardware to make a tight contact.


As to the question of whether a spade, banana, or bare wire connection is intrinsically better. I can't help but think this is the wrong question. Any of these methods, if done with a good airtight connection, works fine and can sound equally good. It all comes down to the care an attention paid to the connections during construction. Premium cable manufacturers put far more time, effort, and thought into making optimal terminations, which is just one of the many reasons they cost more and last longer than the high-volume mass-market stuff.
 
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Audiophilereview.com

Spades, Bananas, Bare Wire, Solder, and Contact Force

By Steven Stone | April 29, 2013


But beyond the kind and shape of the speaker connectors used, there's the bigger issue of how they are attached to speaker wire. Most speaker cables that are not terminated in bare wire use solder somewhere in the termination to hold stuff together. Even some bare wire comes with soldered tips just to keep all the wires from becoming unstuck.


And stick together is what solder does well, but what solder does not do well is pass electrical signal. Be it premium ultra-fi silver solder or plain old lead-based plumber's solder, neither pass an electrical signal as well as bare metal. In fact in a well-designed termination, solder isn't used for its transmission properties, it's only used for its air-sealing and ability to "glue" two pieces of cable or cable hardware to one another in a way so that they will remain in tight air-sealed contact.

Huh? Can we have some data to 'splain what would be better?
 
My conclusion was that even the quality of the termination has an audible effect on a system's overall sound.

I've been saying this here for years ever since I changed out the stock speaker binding posts on a couple pairs of speakers, and experienced a surprising degree of improvement in the sound. Replacing the big hunk of brass normally used for speaker wire, interconnect, and binding posts with something of relatively lower mass that's made of copper just makes more sense, although naturally it's a more expensive approach.

And I don't often do the bare wire thing anymore because I've gotten better results with high quality banana connectors, which can give a better connection in some cases (as can spades, to a lesser degree IME). I don't like having to tighten, and then later re-tighten, binding posts down onto bare wire. That's not a reliably tight connection.

Huh? Can we have some data to 'splain what would be better?

Many people believe it's better to have solder-less connections, using, for example, a screw-down termination at the point of connection. IMO you're just as well off with solder as long as the solder is high quality, the proper amount is used, and it's properly applied (eg. the person knows what they're doing with a soldering iron).

Anyway, I think Mr. Stone's conclusion is dead on:

As to the question of whether a spade, banana, or bare wire connection is intrinsically better. I can't help but think this is the wrong question. Any of these methods, if done with a good airtight connection, works fine and can sound equally good. It all comes down to the care an attention paid to the connections during construction
 
Wow, I haven't seen anything written by Steven Stone (assuming it's the same guy) since he got kicked off the staff of The Absolute Sound for supposedly exchanging gear for photography.

But to the point of the article, I no longer use any connectors, just bare wire, maybe tin the leads. One less thing to get in the way, is how I see it.
 
I talked with an industry man recently and he discussed that although harder to work with, the new lead-free solder is a better conductor of an electrical signal- lead is not a good conducting material, it just has a nice melting point.

They're saying a tight crimp works best-

"...The most important aspect of a termination is how much wire in the cable is in direct and tight contact with the speaker connection. The tighter the connection, the less electrical resistance there will be..."

and...

"...in a well-designed termination, solder isn't used for its transmission properties, it's only used for its air-sealing and ability to "glue" two pieces of cable or cable hardware to one another in a way so that they will remain in tight air-sealed contact."


I crimp my connections, and for the sake of protecting the bare copper from corrosion, I still use solder. It also strengthens the connection.

A note- many audio applications in cars, or automotive wiring and motorcycle wiring and marine wiring forgo soldering as their vibration is considered to make the connection more prone to fracture- and sometimes the solder, wicking and traveling up the wire, may make the end section of the wire also more prone to failure.
 
"...in a well-designed termination, solder isn't used for its transmission properties, it's only used for its air-sealing and ability to "glue" two pieces of cable or cable hardware to one another in a way so that they will remain in tight air-sealed contact."

I crimp my connections, and for the sake of protecting the bare copper from corrosion, I still use solder. It also strengthens the connection.

I try to do this when I can, too, for the same reason(s).

A note- many audio applications in cars, or automotive wiring and motorcycle wiring and marine wiring forgo soldering as their vibration is considered to make the connection more prone to fracture- and sometimes the solder, wicking and traveling up the wire, may make the end section of the wire also more prone to failure.

Yes.
 
My question about solder connections is this: why is solder not questioned for component (resistors/caps/inductors/etc) connections but it is apparently a concern for interconnects/speaker connections?
 
I talked with an industry man recently and he discussed that although harder to work with, the new lead-free solder is a better conductor of an electrical signal- lead is not a good conducting material, it just has a nice melting point.

And I don't often do the bare wire thing anymore because I've gotten better results with high quality banana connectors, which can give a better connection in some cases (as can spades, to a lesser degree IME). I don't like having to tighten, and then later re-tighten, binding posts down onto bare wire. That's not a reliably tight connection.

Many people believe it's better to have solder-less connections, using, for example, a screw-down termination at the point of connection. IMO you're just as well off with solder as long as the solder is high quality, the proper amount is used, and it's properly applied (eg. the person knows what they're doing with a soldering iron).

I agree, and I think this is a good argument for good quality solder - to negate the less-than-best conductive properties of traditional solder, which is where some of the motivation to avoid soldered connections originated in the first place.
 
My question about solder connections is this: why is solder not questioned for component (resistors/caps/inductors/etc) connections but it is apparently a concern for interconnects/speaker connections?

I use quality silver (with lead) solder for tone arm rewiring- I've not tried non-lead solder yet, but perhaps the fact it takes a higher heat to melt could lead to damaging the delicate tiny wires that make up the tone arm wire.

This may also be an issue for certain delicate circuit boards, concern over lifting traces, etc. Some manufacturers have in the past stated not to even use solder with silver in it, over concerns of it's slightly higher melting point.

Perhaps not so relevant or a concern with some/most gear. I use silver solder at times on repairs.

Lead is in solder, not for it's conductive properties, but for it's low(er)-heat melting point.

I just don't think crimping is always appropriate- how would one easily crimp parts on a circuit board?
 
Oh- and there are at least two camps on non-terminated wire- those who truly leave it bare, as they feel solder inhibits the sound, and those who feel solder is necessary ( a necessary evil?) to prevent the wire from tarnishing or corroding.

Pick your poison, perhaps....
 
I like Speakons for pro audio use. They lock and work great.

I use break wire at home although I did solder some pins for spring clips.

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Oh- and there are at least two camps on non-terminated wire- those who truly leave it bare, as they feel solder inhibits the sound, and those who feel solder is necessary ( a necessary evil?) to prevent the wire from tarnishing or corroding.

Pick your poison, perhaps....

As long as you're air tight (or close to it), oxidation is likely going to be extremely gradual and probably negligible.
 
I apply DeOxIt Gold to the bare copper (amplifier) end of my speaker cables to help prevent oxidation. Of course, DeOxIt doesn't prevent the wire from fraying like a bugger over time, which is where a little dab of solder at the end can definitely help ;)
 
My question about solder connections is this: why is solder not questioned for component (resistors/caps/inductors/etc) connections but it is apparently a concern for interconnects/speaker connections?

As usual I wasn't clear with my previous point. I've always tinned speaker wire ends. I recently built some cables with silver plated copper spades. I used silver solder. I like the extra assurance of a good mechanical/electrical connection that solder affords.

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My question about solder connections is this: why is solder not questioned for component (resistors/caps/inductors/etc) connections but it is apparently a concern for interconnects/speaker connections?

I'm not sure what your beliefs are based on, but the very first thing taught in a soldering class is that the things to be soldered must be in tight physical contact BEFORE solder is applied. This was true back in the point-to-point days of tube circuits where you had to loop the lead of the resistor or cap through an eylet. It was true back in the days of single-sided PCBs, where you had to bend the lead over the pad with needle-nose pliers. Actually, the circuit should function even before solder is applied. Just don't shake it.

So, all solder connections have had a concern about physical contact for over half a century, not just interconnects and speaker connections. Nothing new here, nothing to get excited about. There is no speaker cable conspiracy here.

All of this plays into why wire-wrap was considered superior to soldering, lots of gas-tight bondings between the post and the wire at each wrap.
 
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