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“A Modest Proposal”: Remaster, better? No, just different.

Ishmael

Super Member
Every remastered album starts from a source, the original tape/digital file created by the artist. In other words, whatever the format, it was first their performance.

Now comes greed. Technology has advanced. The new sound engineers with today’s technology decide they can make the original performance “better” than The Beatles, Miles Davis, etc., actual performance. Then the reviewing pundits proclaim the “remastered” IS “better” and “Caaaching $$$”, the catalog is resold for the 4th, 5th, 6th time.

But what is being sold via this “remaster”? Let’s consider the Beatles Rubber Soul album. The Beatles performed in a recording studio to create the master tape, which they listened to, tweaked, and finally declared their album. Again, their performance.

But who performed the new “remastered” release? It wasn’t The Beatles; they did not perform in a recording studio to create a new master tape which they approved as their “remastered” album. So, who are the performers for the “remastered” Rubber Soul? The recording engineers and new technology are the performers, not The Beatles. The remastered Beatles, Rubber Soul in my opinion is more honestly titled “[Name], Recording Engineer & [Name], New Technology-Performing: The Beatles, Rubber Soul”. But then this might not move the resale of the catalog.

But you say it sounds better, and therein lies the conceit. It sounds different, because it is, it is no longer what The Beatles intended, but does that make it better? What have you lost? You’ve lost the intent and sound created by the artist. It is like the colorization of legendary black and white films. Casablanca dies in color, all the intent and creative energy that make it magnificent comes from being filmed in black and white. I can still recall pizza sized lacquer 33 rpm records on my childhood mono record player of Caruso singing, or John Phillip Sousa conducting his marches. Crackles, pops, noise, but through it all the wallop of reality, as I, a little boy, sang along or marched about the room.

Yet we persist in this strange conceit, unique from all the other arts. No one is remastering the Mona Lisa, better with lipstick or a tattoo, Michelangelo’s David re-sculpted to make the cover of GQ, or Hemingway’s Old Man and the Sea rewritten into a romance novel. What happens after the 4th, 8th, 10th remastered Rubber Soul?

Think of it this way, there is the original Rubber Soul that John, Paul, George and Ringo performed and chose to release as their performance. Then comes the first “remaster” and the sound of the performance has been changed, made “better”, but not by them. Now move ahead to that 6th “remaster” of their performance, in each of the previous five “remasters”, the sound has changed, been made “better”, but each change is cumulative. Each must be more “different” from the previous “remaster” to sell that it is “better”. But when is that moment when the “remaster” has changed the performance of John, Paul, George and Ringo to the point that it no longer sounds like them? The moment when we have lost what The Beatles sounded like. We will have a “better/remaster”, but The Beatles will be gone.

So, stop, wait for that pre-amplifier with built in A/I mastering capabilities. You’ll save a bundle. Plus, after you and the A/I are done, maybe you or the A/I, will have your “better” Rubber Soul, just don’t call it by The Beatles.
 
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Some of my remastered reissues sound better than the originals I also own. Some do not.

Just because it's original does not mean the effort was put into it to sound its best.

Edit: and I am a "how the artist intended" person for the most part. That's why I do not use T/Cs or EQs.
 
But who are we listening to? When do the production values of those creating the "remastered" release become the artist? Picasso can re-image the Mona Lisa, but that re-image is a Picasso, not the Mona Lisa. However when you remaster, you are changing the sound itself, it must sound different, or what's the point to re-selling it? How much difference can be added before the original sound is lost?
 
It sounds different, because it is, it is no longer what The Beatles intended, but does that make it better? What have you lost? You’ve lost the intent and sound created by the artist.
How do you know what the Beatles intended? They worked with the technology available to them at the time, if they were given that opportunity. It's quite possible the mixing and mastering was done without their involvement.
Anyway, the technology available today can do things which weren't possible 50 years ago. Why not use it?
 
One problem with what you are saying is the fact that the artists may intend something that is not possible with the equipment they have, so they do things that are "good enough." Typically, when they recorded, they did not want the wow and flutter and noise floor (like tape hiss) and the frequency response irregularities of the recording equipment, but they could not avoid those things. And those things were made worse when an original multitrack recording would be downmixed to two channels, as one gets the wow and flutter (and other issues) of both the multitrack source and the two channel copy. And then one gets more wow and flutter (and etc.) from the analog copy that one ends up with, of that mix-down master.

Getting rid of some of those issues would, in most cases, bring one closer to the original intent of the musicians.

Also, the original masters are normally mastered by recording engineers, not the musicians themselves, so the first release isn't necessarily following the musicians' intentions. An extreme example of this comes from a band you mention, the Beatles. The album Let It Be was made by Phil Spector, who added overdubs to what the Beatles did, that they never intended. Probably, the Let It Be... Naked album is closer to their original intent. Since that was a remix, it also had the advantage of reduced noise and reduced issues with the frequency response, as they were not relying on old analog gear, making analog copies in the downmixing of the multitrack original recording, etc. But the main thing is, they eliminated the overdubs that Phil Spector added.

So, sometimes, a total remix will get one closer to the original intentions of the musicians.


Edited to add:

An album where the original release was very significantly wrong is Kind of Blue by Miles Davis. The tape recorder used in one of the sessions was operating at a slightly incorrect speed:

The significant 1992 remaster corrected the original recording speed for side one, which had caused all prior releases to be slightly off-pitch.[75]


So, everyone who has an earlier release of that album, does not have the original intentions of Miles Davis for side one of the album. What they have is a mistake that sounds wrong. You may (or may not) like it wrong, but it absolutely is wrong and is not what Miles Davis intended.

I have the 1997 reissue, which, in addition to having everything at the correct speed, added a bonus track, an alternate take to "Flamenco Sketches." Obviously, having the bonus track is not in keeping with the original intentions, but having everything at the right speed is in keeping with the original intentions.

The only way to get something close to the original intentions is to have a remaster of that album.

If you wonder if your copy has the correct speed or not, look at the back cover and at the booklet. If there is no mention of correcting the speed, then you probably have something where it was not corrected.
 
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Every remastered album starts from a source, the original tape/digital file created by the artist. In other words, whatever the format, it was first their performance.
I just listened to a Mozart Octect LP recorded in 1950 for the London ffrr label which appears to have never been played before. The sound coming from this 74 year old disc is as good and maybe better than anything I have ever heard. I have no idea where or how they recorded it but it is perfect. The notion that the current "technology" of recording and mastering is far superior than 50 or 70 years ago is not true in all cases. I would like to find a "remastered" recording if it exists to compare, but my guess is it would be watered down some.
 
I just listened to a Mozart Octect LP recorded in 1950 for the London ffrr label which appears to have never been played before. The sound coming from this 74 year old disc is as good and maybe better than anything I have ever heard. I have no idea where or how they recorded it but it is perfect. The notion that the current "technology" of recording and mastering is far superior than 50 or 70 years ago is not true in all cases. I would like to find a "remastered" recording if it exists to compare, but my guess is it would be watered down some.
The recording of classical music is light years away from the production of 1960s pop music (and all subsequent pop music).
 
What is a performance? Not many popular songs are recorded as one take with no overdubs, punch-ins. Finished songs that go on to mastering may be composed of elements of 20 takes and overdubs and punch in corrections, and strings added Long after the band is home. Whose performance is that? It's the engineer and producers performance coupled with the artist.

Recording doesn't produce performance in the way we like to use the word.
 
I just listened to a Mozart Octect LP recorded in 1950 for the London ffrr label which appears to have never been played before. The sound coming from this 74 year old disc is as good and maybe better than anything I have ever heard. I have no idea where or how they recorded it but it is perfect. The notion that the current "technology" of recording and mastering is far superior than 50 or 70 years ago is not true in all cases. I would like to find a "remastered" recording if it exists to compare, but my guess is it would be watered down some.
I got quite a few nice classical records, as there is a real honey hole local, and they're always cheap.

Some of those pressings are quite literally benchmarks. I use "Chet In Hollywood" as a test record continually (though not classical, lol).
 
So remastered albums sound better? Yes, but some just do not, even if they are better mixed and engineered.
I don't like the remastered music of ELO. I do feel it's a cash grab for Jeff Lynn.
Ian Anderson was never happy with how the Aqua Lung album sounded.
So he had it remastered. I bought the new album that came with a book.
To me it just sounded different. I acually like the remastered version, but still prefere the original with all its flaws.
Same goes.for Boston's first album. It's a mess really, but personally, I like the original master.
Pink Floyd's latest remaster of DSOTM does sound much better to me.
I agree most of this remastering is just a cash grab.
Most people that liked the music when if first came out were perfectly happy with how it sounded.
I don't think all remasters are necessarily a cash grab, but most I think are.
Even though I like the latest DSOTM release, was it really necessary?
I don't think so.
 
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Remasters just sound different. It’s all in the ears of the beholder. Some I like a lot and others are a bit of a piss take, it’s not really a binary choice
 
Sell all equipment that reproduces sound since it's inception and limit ones self to live audio..

I'm sure some will complain about that also..
 
in what way exactly?
DesertRatt summarized it pretty well in post #10
What is a performance? Not many popular songs are recorded as one take with no overdubs, punch-ins. Finished songs that go on to mastering may be composed of elements of 20 takes and overdubs and punch in corrections, and strings added Long after the band is home. Whose performance is that? It's the engineer and producers performance coupled with the artist.

Recording doesn't produce performance in the way we like to use the word.
I would add that classical music recording usually involves a small number of microphones and a one-take live performance, often in a concert hall rather than a recording studio.
A pop record usually has the instruments very close-miked, uses dozens of microphones (maybe dozens just on the drum kit), often has instruments DI'ed (ie no microphone at all), often has parts MIDI programmed so the instruments aren't "played" by anyone at all, is often recorded track-by-track over a period of weeks or even months, maybe even has different parts recorded in different parts of the world... it goes on and on. It's not about "capturing a performance" because there never was a performance, it's about creating something using whatever production techniques are available and desired.
 
DesertRatt summarized it pretty well in post #10
I see. It's kind of what I was thinking but I thought there may be more to it.

What is a performance? Not many popular songs are recorded as one take with no overdubs, punch-ins. Finished songs that go on to mastering may be composed of elements of 20 takes and overdubs and punch in corrections, and strings added Long after the band is home. Whose performance is that? It's the engineer and producers performance coupled with the artist.

Recording doesn't produce performance in the way we like to use the word.
 
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