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1n4148 to replace varactor diodes MV-13 VD-1121 VD-1221 VD-1212, DON'T!

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I am writing this mostly as a tool to eBay sellers who sell 1n4148 pairs as replacement for varactor diodes. Or for people to point eBay sellers to as a reference.

Background:
VD-1121, VD-1221, VD-1212, and MV-13 are single and dual varactor diodes. Or varicaps, if you will. A lot of people use one or two 1n4148's to replace the single and dual varactors where they have failed. As opposed to the thread title, this is actually reasonable in a number of circuits (see explanation below). The problem, is that this replacement is anything but universal, and the problem is if you do this in the wrong circuit the temperature compensation won't work, or the circuit will simply not work.

Explanation:
VD-1121/1221 et al are single and dual varactor diodes wrapped in ceramic beads. They were intended as temperature compensation components. As such, they work one of two ways:
1) As a normal diode, often for temperature sensing where their voltage drop changes with temperature. The voltage drop, of course, decreasing with increasing temperature. But since they are normal diodes.
2) As a temperature sensing varactor/varicap, where their capacitance changes with reverse bias voltage and temperature. A varactor is appealing to use for temperature compensation because its capacitance is inversely proportional to temperature. So as temp increases, capacitance decreases.

They are also used a third way simply by virtue of being a varactor:

3) As a normal varactor/varicap, where their capacitance change is used for voltage-controlled capacitance like any varicap, most often for voltage-controlled tuned circuits.

Now, a 1n4148 has a tiny junction and essentially no capacitance to speak of. In case #1, their voltage drop will map about the same as a varactor diode, so they are a reasonable choice. However for case #2 and #3, a 1n4148 switching diode never has any capacitance to speak of at any time.

Practical upshot: In case #1 a 1n4148 will work as intended. In case #2, though it is completely useless. It's probably not dangerous, but the circuit will act as if it's at max temperature even when it's cold. In case #3, a 1n4148 will cause the circuit to cease to function - there will be no tuning at all.

I have seen circuits that use them in temperature compensation both ways, forward biased as diodes and reverse biased with capacitance-based bias adjusting. These diodes were used that way a lot because they came in ceramic beads that conducted heat effectively. But they were also used in other places that had nothing to do with temperature compensation - for example in early voltage based tuned circuits, where voltage is used to change a tuning like the rare Realistic QTA-790 which used them for programming tuning presets.

Better Replacements than 1n4148:

A better replacement of a varactor diode that will work in almost all cases depends on whether you are replacing a single or dual varactor:

Single: A reasonable replacement is a 2n2222 with the collector lead cut off. The larger junction area of a transistor makes for similar varicap functionality as a true varactor. And they come in TO-18 metal cans that conduct heat very well. If you need a non-conducting case to link to a heat sink, then you can use a TO-92 though it won't conduct heat as well, or put a thin layer of 3M TC2810 thermal-conductive epoxy over a TO-18.

Double: Two of the above, soldered similarly to the double 1n4148s, emitter of #1 to base of #2, both collectors removed. This gives a large package, so another option is a BC846S dual NPN transistor in a single SOT363 package.

For eBay sellers, you can even value-add by adding leads to a BC846S, wiring the two transistors in series, and then putting the whole thing in a bead of the above-mentioned 3M TC2810 thermal conductive epoxy. This epoxy has boron nitride ceramic particles which have no dielectric to speak of, and the epoxy itself won't add more than 1pf of fixed capacitance - not enough to skew the output. And it will be in a nice epoxy/ceramic "bead" similar to the original and useful everywhere the original dual varactors were, not just one of three circumstances.
 
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I am writing this mostly as a tool to eBay sellers who sell 1n4148 pairs as replacement for varactor diodes. Or for people to point eBay sellers to as a reference.

Background:
VD-1121, VD-1221, VD-1212, and MV-13 are single and dual varactor diodes. Or varicaps, if you will. A lot of people use one or two 1n4148's to replace the single and dual varactors where they have failed. As opposed to the thread title, this is actually reasonable in a number of circuits (see explanation below). The problem, is that this replacement is anything but universal, and the problem is if you do this in the wrong circuit the temperature compensation won't work, or the circuit will simply not work.

Explanation:
VD-1121/1221 et al are single and dual varactor diodes wrapped in ceramic beads. They were intended as temperature compensation components. As such, they work one of two ways:
1) As a normal diode, often for temperature sensing where their voltage drop changes with temperature. The voltage drop, of course, decreasing with increasing temperature. But since they are normal diodes.
2) As a temperature sensing varactor/varicap, where their capacitance changes with reverse bias voltage and temperature. A varactor is appealing to use for temperature compensation because its capacitance is inversely proportional to temperature. So as temp increases, capacitance decreases.

They are also used a third way simply by virtue of being a varactor:

3) As a normal varactor/varicap, where their capacitance change is used for voltage-controlled capacitance like any varicap, most often for voltage-controlled tuned circuits.

Now, a 1n4148 has a tiny junction and essentially no capacitance to speak of. In case #1, their voltage drop will map about the same as a varactor diode, so they are a reasonable choice. However for case #2 and #3, a 1n4148 switching diode never has any capacitance to speak of at any time.

Practical upshot: In case #1 a 1n4148 will work as intended. In case #2, though it is completely useless. It's probably not dangerous, but the circuit will act as if it's at max temperature even when it's cold. In case #3, a 1n4148 will cause the circuit to cease to function - there will be no tuning at all.

I have seen circuits that use them in temperature compensation both ways, forward biased as diodes and reverse biased with capacitance-based bias adjusting. These diodes were used that way a lot because they came in ceramic beads that conducted heat effectively. But they were also used in other places that had nothing to do with temperature compensation - for example in early voltage based tuned circuits, where voltage is used to change a tuning like the rare Realistic QTA-790 which used them for programming tuning presets.

Better Replacements than 1n4148:

A better replacement of a varactor diode that will work in almost all cases depends on whether you are replacing a single or dual varactor:

Single: A reasonable replacement is a 2n2222 with the collector lead cut off. The larger junction area of a transistor makes for similar varicap functionality as a true varactor. And they come in TO-18 metal cans that conduct heat very well. If you need a non-conducting case to link to a heat sink, then you can use a TO-92 though it won't conduct heat as well, or put a thin layer of 3M TC2810 thermal-conductive epoxy over a TO-18.

Double: Two of the above, soldered similarly to the double 1n4148s, emitter of #1 to base of #2, both collectors removed. This gives a large package, so another option is a BC846S dual NPN transistor in a single SOT363 package.

For eBay sellers, you can even value-add by adding leads to a BC846S, wiring the two transistors in series, and then putting the whole thing in a bead of the above-mentioned 3M TC2810 thermal conductive epoxy. This epoxy has boron nitride ceramic particles which have no dielectric to speak of, and the epoxy itself won't add more than 1pf of fixed capacitance - not enough to skew the output. And it will be in a nice epoxy/ceramic "bead" similar to the original and useful everywhere the original dual varactors were, not just one of three circumstances.
i think you made a typo and meant varistor . varactors are more likely found in tuning circuits
 
No, I meant varactor/varicap. The VD series are officially "Varactor Diode"s. In many cases they are not used as varactors at all, but forward as simple temperature compensation diodes. This because they are in convenient thermal-conductive ceramic beads. But they are also used reversed in some more exotic temperature compensation mechanisms that use their temperature-dependent capacitance effect, and also used as normal varactors in tuning circuit where their temperature sensitivity isn't exploited at all. Capacitive temperature compensation never really caught on, which is likely why these never saw wide use outside the early-to-mid 70's.
 
Never seen them (VD12XX, VD11XX. or mv13) used as a varicap in audio equipment. Never had any problems with using 1n4148 for replacements. And that is going back to the 70's. Would like to see documentation showing VD1211 diodes as varicaps.
I'd sure like to read further on that myself. I've never heard of using the capacitance of a diode for thermal compensation.
 
The terminology is confusing. First, ALL diodes are varactor diodes to one extent or another. Usually, the larger the die, the greater the capacitance change with voltage. I've used power diodes for this, but if you need to replace a diode used for actual frequency tuning, it's best to find one made for the purpose, with the same voltage/capacitance curve. Next, ALL diodes change forward voltage with temperature. Not exactly on the same curve, but not wildly different. The bias diodes commonly used consist of multiple junctions. Somewhere here there's an excellent thread with measurements of the original types and measurements of various replacement combinations. Fortunately, if you get somewhere close, the bias compensation usually works OK. Last bit of confusion is I've seen where schematics show a diode device and they actually used a thermistor! All this stuff is a good reason to own a curve tracer.
 
For fun, I checked the service manual and schematic of the said QTA709 receiver.

Unfortunately, there is no evidence to be found at all in there, whether any varactor diode is used for capacitance compensation.

The FM front end apparently is a small unit called FD312U11 on the tuner board fed with the tuning voltage, which comes without schematic.
In my country, using google, FD312U11 does not ring a bell on the internet. (maybe it does in USA?)

The tuning presets switch potentiometers, using relays, so it has nothing to do with any compensation.
 
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I'd sure like to read further on that myself. I've never heard of using the capacitance of a diode for thermal compensation.
There are some interesting responses from a Google search 'using the capacitance of a diode for thermal compensation'
 
Tough crowd here wanting actual data... :rflmao:
for retired people on an audio forum, sometimes such is a nice subject change, otherwise they become a capacitor or cable whisperer before they know it. Talking about myself.
(confirmed by some guy I just saw in the mirror ....):)
 
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I always thought that the varactor term used in some service manuals was a tralslation error from Japanese to English. Go figure..
Multiple junctions in series will reduce the capacitance of the diode, and also reduce the tunability range. To me these multijuntion diodes of the MVX or STVX types seem less suitable as a tunable capacitor than a real varicap, but as Conrad implied, all diodes have a capacitance that decreases with the magnitude of the reverse bias, so it is possible to use them like such. I to would like to see an example of this.
 
I've seen varactors used in AFC circuits for tuners, but they have always been types specifically sold for the purpose with a datasheet translating volts to picofarads. I guess you could use any diode but I don't know how consistent diodes not sold for that purpose would be.
 
Varactor in tuners have been around since the 70's. Fisher and Tandberg both had receivers with Varactor tuners. A lot of car stereo's used them also, since don't require tuning capacitors. Also, all digital synthesized tuners use Varactor diodes. Symbol is usually a hybrid capacitor diode thing.
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Ah, I have confused myself, varicap, varactor, varistor.

Anyway I have to change my wording to: I have never seen a Varistor diode used as a Varactor/Varicap.
 
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