Actually, there's a couple of guys tempting me daily over on FaceBook by posting pics of slick retro cafe bikes. They know who they are..:yes:
That's a nice bike, love the look.:yes:
2013 Honda CB 1100 First Ride Cycle World
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That's a nice bike, love the look.:yes:
With 1100 cc as opposed to 600cc torque should be be more plentyful
quite more available lower in power band with the CB1100 different ride altogether.bigger heavier bike for sure some might prefer it some might not.
In the 70's I had a CB750 followed by a 903 Kawasaki Z1 lot's of bikes before that and a few after ,they were both purchased new back then .
The Z1 had a tremendous amount of torque compared to the CB750 never had to downshift on the highway with the Z1 you could just roll the throttle or downshift and spin up the afterburner to redline + and hold on now that was fun. All in all I preferred the Z1 but I would have to say the Honda was a little more reliable and civilized .
The early Z1's were fast but temperamental things they required a lot of attention they ate chains,sprockets and rear tires and clutches prodigiously. Z1's also liked frequent spark plugs ,carb sync and valve shim adjustments.
The 750 was a good civilized bike as opposed to the "cammy Z1" but it didn't have the torque or the afterburner power of the Z1 either . The Z1 was bigger overall and I preferred the riding position on Z1 .
Someone else mentioned getting an older UJM and restoring or customizing it problem is the older ones didn't handle well especially the Kawasaki' s .
most of the parts are for the bigger 70's bikes are unobtainium or nearly so and priced accordingly .
especially the earlier Z1A and Z1B and the k1 to k6 750's
The Z1's could get real scary at speed. The CB 750's had issues a well
but they weren't all that fast so they were little more forgiving .
I would expect the newer CB1100 with EFI
, modern ignition and electrical 's along with a modern (hopefully much stiffer chassis ) and better suspension should be a lot better ownership
experience than the 70's bikes . Will it sell in numbers sufficient to support a product lifecycle? I can't say but I hope it does .
I like the new Triumph twins especially the t bird and the new W800 Kawasaki twin . I like Fat Boys and Heritage softails a lot of HD's other bikes look way cool also.
I've ridden friends Fat boys,Heritage softails , Roadkings ,late model Honda Wings and a couple of others but still the Honda CB 1100 for most things as a versatile simple all around bike Just might be the ticket for some.
I'm interested.
The 70's UJM's were a lot of fun a lot more practical on the street overall than say something like a ZX14r, Gixxer ,big Duc or Busa which have but one purpose speed and racebike handling.
Don't get me wrong if you like and can ride them that's fine terrific purpose built bikes even better if you have access to a track.
The crazy wanna be stunt riders on You tube and TV irritate me a bit though when they play dumbest stuff on 2 wheels and use up perfectly decent bikes
standing up on the handlebars and stuff like that just before they crash.
they don't seem to comprehend gravity much less newtons law untill it's too late .
If you like Harleys ,BMW's , Wings , 600 or 250cc twisty road rockets the big Busa's, gixxer's, Duc's ,Zxr's or whatever it's all good I'm just saying an 1100 cc ~ UJM has it's place .
You used to be able take a babe for a ride take a trip ,commute on them ,outrace most things on the road well the Z1 could for sure back then on a reasonably straight road anyway. The big UJM's were versatile bikes
they did most things well. One could modify them a bit to get a little more pourpose use out of them cafe racing or touring but stock they were fun also. I put a Yoshimora Kit in the motor and modified the suspension,the swingarms and re enforced the backbone on my Z1
just make it handle half decent and not try throw you off at speed course I'm not talking 65 either. Had some fun on that one.By that time I was an
experienced rider but I knew my own and the bikeslimits.
Hopefully Honda will sell enough to support continued production and
some of the less experienced XYZ generation that really shouldn't be riding the ZXr's, Gixxer's , Busas big Duc's etc. could have some fun instead of ending up in the hospital or worse . Saw that happen a few times back in 70's with the
Kawasaki triples and some other fast bikes even the bigger 4 cyl bikes .
They used call the Kawi triples (with good reason) widow makers .
Back then nothing on 2 wheels or four including the Z1 could beat the
Kawi 750 triple in the quarter mile not even a Buick GSX or a Hemi Cuda.
The 500 triple wasn't far behind either . The new bikes ....some at or near 200hp are scary fast for public roads especially with an average or worse rider with a penchant for speed. It was that way back then with the faster bikes just more so now.
Most of the modern super sport bikes are more capable than the pro race bikes of a few years ago. Not something an average rider should even think about testing limits on that would probably include a majority of non pro riders . Choices are always good glad to See Honda getting on board with the new CB 1100.
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Donny
Big Damn Hero
I dig the retro look with modern tech. I bet it rides well with the upright seating.Would make a good commuter imo. I hope the new cb does well. I see a market for it. People mis the old bikes just like they mis old cars and audio!
BTW I remember the old cb,and kaw triples in fact the mc shop I work at just sold a 550 triple. We also had a cb550 that everyone asked about.(in for repair)
BTW I remember the old cb,and kaw triples in fact the mc shop I work at just sold a 550 triple. We also had a cb550 that everyone asked about.(in for repair)
2point1
Active Member
frank
With 1100 cc as opposed to 600cc torque should be be more plentyful quite more available
lower in power band with the CB1100
Maybe with both bikes at 2500 rpm but do a roll on race with them at 40% of their maximum
piston speed in feet per minute and I think the 599 would surprise you.
With 1100 cc as opposed to 600cc torque should be be more plentyful quite more available
lower in power band with the CB1100
Maybe with both bikes at 2500 rpm but do a roll on race with them at 40% of their maximum
piston speed in feet per minute and I think the 599 would surprise you.
The 599 for sure has impressive specs 95-102hp that's real decent at 600cc being water cooled can certainly have some advantages power wise .
The CB1100 is said to have 80 hp a little less than orig Z1 maybe more torque though
back in the 70's almost all bikes were air cooled.
Suzuki had a 2 stroke 750cc water cooled most called it the water buffalo or sometimes to be nice a kettle, the thing was butt ugly .
The modern water cooled bikes are better as far as engine tolerances
HP per litre,emissions maybe mechanical reliability etc. That's why air cooled cars didn't catch on much except for Porsche and VW and a couple of Soviet bloc cars. Porsche and VW like a lot of bikes have been water cooled for a good while now
The appeal of the CB1100 is the overall riding experience the simplicity and looks of an air cooled engine . It's one of those things If you know ,you know if you don't You either weren't there or just maybe never tried it but then it's not for everybody. There is no one bike for everybody best thing is to be able to afford a collection of different types wish that I could .
Then there plenty who prefer different rides it's all good . As to comfort If I wanted extreme comfort I have my truck for that. I've ridden Wings comfortable very nice bikes but the things are too refined for me just not just not my thing almost too good to be a motorcycle .
IMO If refinement was the only criteria the Wing or BMW 1600 ,Road king or Glide would be it .
I've never been down for having a radiator on a bike ( just a personal preference that's all). Although the Triumph T bird , Yammie death stars, Honda cruisers
Harley Revolution etc are pretty darn good looking despite being water cooled.
Thing is I want to see the engine not fairings it's an old school thing.
My favorite current bikes would be the new Honda CB ,the Triumph T bird ,Kawai w800,some of the Harley's their 2013 line up is cool maybe a Yammie death star
those are just preferences. Other types I might like would be the Honda ST1400 or the BMW R 1200 RT but these two not as much as the others .
The CB1100 is said to have 80 hp a little less than orig Z1 maybe more torque though
back in the 70's almost all bikes were air cooled.
Suzuki had a 2 stroke 750cc water cooled most called it the water buffalo or sometimes to be nice a kettle, the thing was butt ugly .
The modern water cooled bikes are better as far as engine tolerances
HP per litre,emissions maybe mechanical reliability etc. That's why air cooled cars didn't catch on much except for Porsche and VW and a couple of Soviet bloc cars. Porsche and VW like a lot of bikes have been water cooled for a good while now
The appeal of the CB1100 is the overall riding experience the simplicity and looks of an air cooled engine . It's one of those things If you know ,you know if you don't You either weren't there or just maybe never tried it but then it's not for everybody. There is no one bike for everybody best thing is to be able to afford a collection of different types wish that I could .
Then there plenty who prefer different rides it's all good . As to comfort If I wanted extreme comfort I have my truck for that. I've ridden Wings comfortable very nice bikes but the things are too refined for me just not just not my thing almost too good to be a motorcycle .
IMO If refinement was the only criteria the Wing or BMW 1600 ,Road king or Glide would be it .
I've never been down for having a radiator on a bike ( just a personal preference that's all). Although the Triumph T bird , Yammie death stars, Honda cruisers
Harley Revolution etc are pretty darn good looking despite being water cooled.
Thing is I want to see the engine not fairings it's an old school thing.
My favorite current bikes would be the new Honda CB ,the Triumph T bird ,Kawai w800,some of the Harley's their 2013 line up is cool maybe a Yammie death star
those are just preferences. Other types I might like would be the Honda ST1400 or the BMW R 1200 RT but these two not as much as the others .
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2point1
Active Member
I live in Fl so L/C is nice to have. My 04 BMW R1150R is ok in the heat but it came
with two oil coolers on it. At the time I loved my 80 Z1R. It's not half the bike the
04 Honda cb600 f is. There are a lot of nice bikes out there today. The important
thing is that you are riding.
with two oil coolers on it. At the time I loved my 80 Z1R. It's not half the bike the
04 Honda cb600 f is. There are a lot of nice bikes out there today. The important
thing is that you are riding.
Interesting......I cannot imagine that many sell in one state let alone one dealer. They must be marking them down by alot. I love the look of the Panigale's, but am past the time for the twisted up riding position. And with a price around 20,000, it's not going to sell ton's IMHO, though they seem to have sole over 7500 world wide.
The Honda CB1100 is going back to a time where we had bikes that did everything. That's a good thing. it's not the fastest, it's not the best, but looks like alot of fun to ride.
I sat on this bike at the International Motorcycle Show in San Mateo and thought it felt nice and looked great. However, I think the market for this bike is limited, and aging. Lets face facts, the people who grew up with the UJM are at least 43 years old and probably closer to 53 or older. My personal feeling is the manufacturers would be better served finding out what the teens and twenties are looking for and building for them.
guystp
Well-Known Member
Well, I saw the 1100. Unfortunately, Honda people decided to put an old CB750F next to the the new 1100. In the 20 mins. I stood there, everyone ignored the 1100 and made a huge fuss over the (I assume restored) CB750F. I have to admit also, the 1100 did absolutely nothing for me either, and I like old bikes.(still own a '78 CB750 cafe racer) It looked ok, but it certainly didn't get the juices flowing.
icenine
Super Member
I had a 1973 Honda CB350-4 ...pretty rare 4 cylinder model I think. It came in green or red I had the green one. I rode it for about a two years and sold it in 1989 when I bought my first car. I actually had a front wheel blow out on it and lived...that was scary. I took it to my first duty station in the Navy and used to ride it around Charleston South Carolina. I had a buddy who had a Harley 883 Sporty and he loved riding my bike. We would trade bikes and ride over that bridge in Charleston that takes you to Mt Pleasant and Isle of Palms. That was fun and boy you can tell when you are on a Harley...you can feel that V-twin between your legs. The Honda was fast but did not vibrate like the Harley.
I sold it for $75 bucks.
I am glad I did not killed on it.
I have not been on a Motorcycle since 89 0r 90.
I sold it for $75 bucks.
I am glad I did not killed on it.
I have not been on a Motorcycle since 89 0r 90.