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2235Hs on eBay

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I hate to see this, some poor guy on evilbay is selling 4 2235Hs with "foam professionally replaced", on the front of the cone.

I guess it'd be worse if it were a rare speaker with NLA cone kits but still, the poor guy paid to have his speakers trashed.
 
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Enclosed are pics of two 2214H-1 badly done front refoams done with a mix of thick white glue or urethane / silicone adhesive. You can see the heavy duatcap glue lines and the excess edge glue which has likely soaked and hardened into the cone material. It unlikely the surround can be removed without damage. Replying to front would restore much of the integrity minus any cone fiber loss.

It’s not ideal but sometimes it’s unavoidable. I have a number of 2235H’s and a few 2214H, all older of course, where the surrounds were replaced probably in the 90’s when the narrow roll thinner foams were not available. So generic 15” and 12” foams respectively, thicker w/wide rolls were used. If not a JBL knowledgeable shop, back then the easier and faster way was to put it on the front side, sometimes very poorly indeed.

It literally wasn’t till the early 2000’s when properly designed and made JBL model and come specific foams became widely available for use. Then the issue of cone or driver rest position offset with front vs OEM JBL rear mounting became a theoretical and practical consideration and one had to ask for reformers to rear mount. Another improvement was subbing polyether for polyurethane foam surrounds really improved longevity and reliability, particularly in hostile climates.

Unfortunately, trying to take off a front glue mounted foam frequently leads to front edge cone damage or layer delamination. Looks bad, may weaken the cone too. If putting the foam on properly back OEM mounted, the damaged cone edge is unsightly. Some have suggested light spray painting (but color matching and theoretical cone mass gain are issues), maybe consider a way to fill with a matte filler or watered down PVA binder, or other cosmetic improvement? Or just keep the grille on, or use in a subwoofer only application?

Otherwise, option to replace foam onto front of the cone looks non-OEM but preserves the original cone/voice coil and saves money which for many is a primary concern vs the cost of an OEM JBL Rec one kit, if even available, or going to an aftermarket kit of unknown performance aside from a few well known pro resources.

The front mount can offset the rest position of the voice coil in gap center, and spider est position by a millimeter or two down (thickness of cone plus surround?) depending on the thickness of the cone and surround plus it’s springiness compared to the elasticity or stiffness of the spider. Most thin foams will give way before a spider will but the slight difference in up/down surround resistance with cone motion may affect linearity. A soft, tired or heavily used spider would be affected even more but that should be examined by the shop and replaced at the time of service. Again, labor vs total recone costs.

It just dawned on me that an unavoidable front surround remount could mitigate the rest offset issue by raising the frame outer surround landing/glueing zone by a similar offset height. A 1-2mm thick ring of card stock or a similar thin foam ring (cut from the outside of another surround?) could lift the outer surround edge enough to balance the offset down by the front mount! This would allow the spider to be level & flat rather than maybe brought below level - and the voice co to remain centers in the gap.

We’d have to schematically draw this out and then practically see how it needs to work - a lot to save an OEM cone I admit and it still looks incorrect but it could preserve originality aside from appearance and more importantly, proper performance. Otherwise, you’re looking at a recone cost which may or may not be attractive to some.

I’ll ask my pro sources about this idea!
 
Those are some ugly foam jobs @mech986

On the (4) 2235Hs that were listed yesterday on ebay, I sent a message suggesting that the seller had indicated he had them professionally re-foamed, and that had potentially decreased their value, he needs to take them back to the professional and have them repaired with new C8R2235 cone kits to restore their value. They have been pulled from ebay and hopefully the seller will get proper re-cones at no charge.

This is how an incorrectly installed surround looks on a 2235H (note that this is not the correct single-roll foam also), image copied from ebay:

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Probably this is the best that one can do removing the front-glued surround (image also copied from ebay):

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Really almost a best-case scenario (image copied from ebay):

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The prosepect of re-foaming on the face of the cone and shimming the foam out (thickness of foam plus thickness of cone edge) does seem like it would work however, you're proposing removing the foam from the front of the cone to replace it and make this change, in which case I'd be inclined to just refoam on the correct side and leave the above evidence, or if the foam is deteriorated enough just rub until as much foam is removed as possible and leave the rest of it alone.

Re-foaming isn't an exact science unfortunately, and when new cone kits are still available from the manufacturer it seems better to simply re-cone. There's no way that you can remove all of the foam and glue from the back of the original cone and maintain the exact same mass, and all of the handling necessary to even come close is likely to fissure the aquaplas on the cone which is also not good, if the cones aren't available of course refoam makes sense. If I had an alnico woofer that needed foam and the original kit were available however, I'd send the thing out to be re-magnetized anyway, might as well have an original performing woofer if you can.
 
Have C8R2235 kits become available again, from Harman/Samsung? My local JBL factory service center has said, that since the Samsung buyout, that pretty much none of the kits for anything older than about 10 years old, have been available from JBL/Samsung. I haven't checked again lately- but that was the story, as of the beginning of this year...

BTW- If they're not new from JBL- then you are buying old kits, that have been on the shelf for a while. You need to make sure they have NOT been sitting there a long time. The foam on a recone kit will rot, sitting there in the box, same as it would if it was installed on a speaker.

For one example- I, unfortunately, have a NOS C8R116H 8" kit, that I am going to have to refoam before installing, whenever I need to use it... that's exactly what happened to it- it had foam rot just sitting there new in the box...

Regards,
Gordon.
 
My 2235H kits still feel supple, but the other side of that is I would prefer to refoam the cone kit before installing, I could do a much more meticulous job.
 
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