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45 Record Plastic Inserts for Dual Stacking Spindles-Your Experience

OBMG74

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1787253415825.png Does anyone have experience using these on Dual stacking spindles on 1019, 1214, 1219, etc?

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Interested in if they work on the Dual and if they stay put in the record before I invest in a bunch of them.
 
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I use some on my 1219. They mostly work fine when used alongside standard 45s but if stacked together can cause 'drop' issues.

You'll also find the records tend to skate/slip more easily when playing, it's trial and error really.
 
I use them in one of my two jukeboxes. The problem is that sometimes the holes in some records aren't exactly the right size and I'm not talking about "dinked" ones and the centre can fall out.
If a centre falls out the jukebox is attempting to play, the machine will still try to play it whether there's a record there or not, which can cause all sorts of problems. So on some I use three short bits of masking tape on the three areas where the centre attaches to the record. This I've found in nearly twenty years, solves the problem. Masking tape is better than Sellotape, as it doesn't damage the label if at any time you decide to remove the centre.
 
Greenie said:
I use some on my 1219. They mostly work fine when used alongside standard 45s but if stacked together can cause 'drop' issues.

You'll also find the records tend to skate/slip more easily when playing, it's trial and error really.
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I was kind of afraid that would be the case.
 
Doghouse said:
I use them in one of my two jukeboxes. The problem is that sometimes the holes in some records aren't exactly the right size and I'm not talking about "dinked" ones and the centre can fall out.
If a centre falls out the jukebox is attempting to play, the machine will still try to play it whether there's a record there or not, which can cause all sorts of problems. So on some I use three short bits of masking tape on the three areas where the centre attaches to the record. This I've found in nearly twenty years, solves the problem. Masking tape is better than Sellotape, as it doesn't damage the label if at any time you decide to remove the centre.
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Yikes!!

I do have a 1954 RCA 45 stacker which I don’t mind playing my lesser quality records on.
My nicer ones I will play singly on a better turntable.

I had a feeling the plastic inserts might be problematic.

Thanks for the answers, appreciate it.
 
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OBMG74 said:
I was kind of afraid that would be the case.
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I had a little play this morning (yes I'm bored) with my Dual and also my Elac stackers.

I have two versions of the inserts, one black one yellow. The yellow ones are thinner than the black and unsurprisingly work pretty well with both autochangers. Sadly I can't recall where they were purchased from.

As I mentioned the trouble is 'skating' when playing if you have 1 or more under your current record. I should say you can avoid most of these problems by choosing your discs carefully. Many later 45s lacked the ribbed inner circle (I guess they thought no one used changers anymore) and these are the worst for slipping so putting two of these in succession rarely goes well.

If you are able to purchase inserts in person rather than online I'd try that, go for the thinnest and use a dab of glue if required to keep them in place.
 
Oddly nobody has mentioned the metal inserts?

They seem far less common, were they a thing because of weight? Or just another variation on the same? I see enough of them, they're not hens teeth.
 
I was going to say I have some Webster metal ones, and they lock securely into the hole and are heavy.
 
The plastic inserts have bumps on them, so when multiple disks are stacked and playing there is some resistance to stop them slipping.
I used them on many of my singles with large holes (out of convenience, not for stacker use), and found that the bumps can damage picture sleeves. So I cut the bumps off.

Doghouse said:
...So on some I use three short bits of masking tape on the three areas where the centre attaches to the record. This I've found in nearly twenty years, solves the problem. Masking tape is better than Sellotape, as it doesn't damage the label if at any time you decide to remove the centre.
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In the short term masking tape is removable, it is what the tape is designed for.
However, I have found that over time (>10yrs) that the adhesive can harden, staining what it's affixed to, and the tape falls off (just like Sellotape). So maybe electrical tape could be a better long-term solution. I've come to the conclusion that no adhesive tape is a long-term solution.
 
AudioFeline said:
The plastic inserts have bumps on them, so when multiple disks are stacked and playing there is some resistance to stop them slipping.
I used them on many of my singles with large holes (out of convenience, not for stacker use), and found that the bumps can damage picture sleeves. So I cut the bumps off.


In the short term masking tape is removable, it is what the tape is designed for.
However, I have found that over time (>10yrs) that the adhesive can harden, staining what it's affixed to, and the tape falls off (just like Sellotape). So maybe electrical tape could be a better long-term solution. I've come to the conclusion that no adhesive tape is a long-term solution.
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The problem with insulation tape for me, is that a jukebox develops quite a bit of heat and it can come unstuck. I'm not that bothered about the possibility of the label getting damaged, using masking tape, but it hasn't happened in nearly twenty years.
 
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