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5000 Bias Diode and Transistor - need Tech help!!

5000 bias diode placement

Krikke,

It appears that, for whatever reason, the clips that once held the bias diodes onto the complementary pre driver transistors were removed. Surprisingly , this is not necessarily a bad thing. I say that because placing those diodes on those particular transistors was the worst place Sansui could have put them, virtually in the entire receiver.

The complementary pre drivers, which are the TO-5 (small round can) parts next to the TO-66 (bigger metal cans plus flange) NPN drivers operate at almost a constant temperature. They, therefore, are virtually useless for providing thermal compensation, which is the whole point. The best place for them is to be mounted on the output transistor heat sinks. Not too long ago, I rebuilt a 5000 using the original boards (as opposed to dumping them and replacing them with my update boards) specifically so I would have a "stock" 5000 to compare my modified ones to. On that receiver, I mounted the bias diodes on the TO-66 transistors as a compromise, using a bit of thin aluminum sheet bent into a loop and with a hole to run a transistor mounting screw through . The TO-66 drivers do heat up some when you drive the amplifier, and cool down when it is idle. That location appears to work acceptably well, as there have been no thermal runaway issues with that receiver.

I switched to using 1N4000 series rectifiers nearly 40 years ago for replacement bias diodes, 2 of them for each original diode package, and have never found that to be a problem. I tested 1N4148 diodes and found them to be too sensitive. The use of 1N4148, or 1N914, diodes will certainly prevent thermal run away, Unfortunately, as those diodes heat up they actually would cause the outputs to become under biased, which results in elevated crossover distortion.

TG
 
Hi all,

I recently got a Sansui 5000a from a friend which initially needed only minor fixes: some dial lights were broken and the potentiometers needed some deoxit. According to my friend, besides some noise when turning the knobs the receiver should play perfectly. I did not verify this yet. Then I found out about the F-1040-1 board problems. I was hoping to upgrade the board with the very good and usefull information in this thread (thank you skippy124). When I opened the receiver up, I noticed something strange. The diodes above the transistors which cause the initial problems are not in any way thermally coupled to the transistors. They just float above them (all of them), leaving some space (a few mm) in between them, see this image:

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Did anybody ever seen this before? I assume that this is not standard? Is this because somebody already messed in the receiver and removed the holders of these diodes? Or did they forgot them in the factory? I cannot understand that this receiver works for longer periods of time without the thermal feedback. Many thanks for your opinions in advance!

Best regards,
Krikke
Hey do you have a picture of the other side of these boards?
 
Hello - can anyone advise me on how to view these images without having to go through Photobucket?

Thanks!
 
Is anyone familiar with this Chrome addin that is supposed to allow images stored in Photobucket to be viewed without paying the ransome? Thanks
 
I have a 5000A with F-1040 boards that I would love to do this mod.
@skippy124 The pictures here and in the long sticky thread are not loading... is it possible to re-upload them?

Additionally, once the mod described here is done, are there any other changes needed to be done to the 5000A to make it safe? I think I read somewhere that in the original service bulletin for modifying 1040 to 6013, there were additional changes to other parts of the unit.
 
The 1040 mod doesn't turn the boards into the 6013 version, it will simply make the 1040 boards stable in operation so the amp won't blow channels so easily. 6013 was a complete redesign of the driver boards to do that same thing by somewhat different means.
 
Thanks, I've been waiting for a few weeks for 6013 boards to come up but none have so I'll proceed with this mod.
Which hFE category is preferred ?
Mouser have
BD139/140-10 -- 63~160
BD139/140-16 -- 100~250
 
Hi,

I am currently repairing/restoring a 5000, and have read the sticky regarding the F1040 driver boards, and I would like to replace the LV-2 bias diodes as per the sticky.

The reason for this thread is twofold, the alternative bias diodes shown in the sticky - NTE-605a and STV-2h are not available locally, and from what I can gather are almost impossible to get hold of anywhere, so I need an alternative for these. The second reason for the thread is that the fault on the 5000 I have was left channel distortion, which tuned out to be a corroded base wire on the 2SA485 bias transistor, and I am having difficulty finding a suitable alternative for the 2SA485/2SC485 pair.

My thoughts are as follows, and this is what I would like some opinions of from the techs here,

1. I believe that it would be possible to use 2 1N4148 diodes in place of the old LV-2 diodes??

2. In looking for suitable replacements for the 2SA485/2SC485 bias transistors, I have found either 2SA1358/2SC3421, or potentially BD139/BD140 as replacements electrically, but case style differs. Basic specs as follows taken from the datasheetarchive site (only the PNP part is shown)

2SA485
AMH
Various
pnp transistors,transistors
AMH, 2SA485, Silicon, PNP, 800mW, 80V, 80V, 5V, 1.5A, 150

2SA485
Silicon PNP
N/A
pnp transistors,transistors
Category: PNP Transistor, Transistor
MHz: 20 MHz
Amps: 1.5A
Volts: 80V

2SA1358
AMA
Various
pnp transistors,transistors
AMA, 2SA1358, Silicon, PNP, 10W, 120V, 120V, 1A, 150

2SA1358
Silicon PNP
N/A
pnp transistors,transistors
Category: PNP Transistor, Transistor
MHz: 120 MHz
Amps: 1A
Volts: 120V

BD140.16
Si PNP Power BJT
Motorola
npn transistors,pnp transistors,transistors
V(BR)CEO (V)=80
V(BR)CBO (V)=100
I(C) Abs.(A) Collector Current=1.5
Absolute Max. Power Diss. (W)=8.0
I(CBO) Max. (A)=100n
h(FE) Min. Static Current Gain=120
h(FE) Max. Current gain.=250
@I(C) (A) (Test Condition)=150m
@V(CE) (V) (Test Condition)=2.0
f(T) Min. (Hz) Transition Freq=75M
Package=TO-126
Military=N

I beleive that the BD140 looks pretty close except for the higher Ft, will that be a problem??

If it is feasible to use either the 2SA1358/2SC3421, or the BD139/BD140, then this is the way I intend to do the physical arrangement for the bias diodes -

2 1N1418's soldered in series, some heatshrink and a BD140

5000biasdiodemod1.jpg


assembled together

5000biasdiodemod2.jpg


I would be greatful of comments/suggestions etc.... am I on the right track or am I "going up the garden path"??"

For reference the circuit for the F1040-1 is as follows (the F1040 I have has Tr805 and Tr806 as 2SC756) and apologies for the poor

5000ampdiagram.jpg


Thanks for looking and hope I can get some feedback/opinions/guidance.

Cheers

John
I assume that you used bd140-16 and bd139-16?
 
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