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8 track dubbing onto cassette, etc.

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This is continued from another post. I went to my grandfathers place yesterday to see if he still had his 8 tracks. He looked all over with no where to be found. But we did find the copy cassettes I made him in the 80s off of a few of those old 8 tracks. So it looks like I'll have to make a dub of a dub. Funny thing I was so expecting he'd still have those old 8 tracks, I went to the thrift store yesterday and bought a few extra 8 tracks for 50 cents each. Now that I dont have his old tapes, Im debating on bothering to get an old player to even play the tapes I bought today. I was looking at a Pioneer H-R100 and H-R99 player-recorder. I'd like one with Dolby if I get one, so that would be the 100 model. Can anyone comment on these old Pioneer decks from the mid 70s? I seem to remember the dubs I made back then weren't the best copies. I confirmed that when I played back the cassettes last night. The 8 track tapes I bought, one of the pressure pads is missing- so that would need to be fixed. That tape had the dual pressure pads with a spring. Since one is missing I could just see the tape scraping against the metal spring. Any ideas on a quick fix?

As per dubbing the cassettes I borrowed- as mentioned those tapes seem to be very poor in quality. Obviously the deck I used back then was out of alignment. No high end at all. But the recordings do have that very fat sounding bass that seems to be a trademark of 8 tracks and reel to reel. Does that mean that cassettes give a more accurate sound? Like a flat response? I never hear bass like that on cassettes, yet the cassette recording did represent that fat bass on playback. So cassette by nature should be able to reproduce that big bass sound. So these bigger tapes (8 track and reel to reel) seem to color the sound somewhat then- correct? Maybe not so much reel to reels, but 8 track yes. Even when I play reel to reels they seem to produce a better bass, as like its fatter then cassette bass. Maybe the decks I have used are not working properly.

Again what can people tell me about the H-R series of Pioneer 8 tracks? Does the 100 model use a fixed head, or do they all have moving heads which can cause alignment problems? Is there any deck that has a fixed head, as in 8 tracks in the playback head?
 
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I've heard 8-tracks as being characterized as having a "fat" sound, and cassettes are notorious for weak bass. The speeds are different, I think. You might be able to re-record those dubs you made for Grandpa through an EQ to liven them up. I have a BSR 10-band that can work wonders with the most "woofy" sounding tapes. Picked it up cheap, too.
Google "8-track heaven" for a site dedicated to the format with tape repair tips.
Dan
 
But the recordings do have that very fat sounding bass that seems to be a trademark of 8 tracks and reel to reel. Does that mean that cassettes give a more accurate sound? Like a flat response? I never hear bass like that on cassettes, yet the cassette recording did represent that fat bass on playback
8 track is definitely lower quality than is a good cassette. I personally don't even consider that issue to be debatable. The bass may be boosted on some 8 tracks, which may explain why some people like the format, even despite its complete lack of highs.

Bass may well be the one of the weakest points of cassette. But IMO this had more to do with using chrome tape, which always seemed a little lean on the bottom. A good type I tape on a good machine will often have slightly more pronounced bass than willl a chrome tape. This was infact one of the reasons why ferrichrome tapes were invented: to try to get the bass of a type I tape, with the highs of a chrome tape.
 
I recently acquired a H-R100 deck and I can say it is one of the decks that is miles ahead of most 8-track decks I have heard. The first time I hooked it up and gave a listen I couldn't believe 8-tracks could sound so good. There's still quite a bit of hiss without dolby, but the freq. response and stereo separation where quite good. Very important is to make sure you have your tapes in good working order, especially the pressure pads. For tapes with the double metal clips, you just need a piece of felt glued on for the tape to ride against. If they have the foam type pad, some people have had good success using foam weatherstrip cut to size. You'll also want to address the splice, if it isn't broke there yet, it likely will be after a few plays. You can buy new sensing foil and splicing tape from various places online. And if you really want to give it a thorough overhaul, open the cart and clean and lube the roller post and center post that the reel rides on- 1 drop of light oil per post. Then your tapes should be good for another 20-30 yrs.
 
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