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a/d/s CM Series

Bostown said:
I'm looking forward to pairing the CM7s with 2 A/D/S PA4 power amps in bridged Mono though.
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I'm running 2 PA4's in bridged Mono (one bridged amp per speaker) to a set of M12's and sometimes my M15's. You'll have plenty of current for those CM7's!

My Atelier system (s) consist of a CC4 pre-amp control center, 2 PA4 Amp's, 2 CD4 CD players, C2/3 cassette deck, R4 reciever/control center/amp, SW5 powered sub, and P4 turntable. All pieces are 100% functional, in excellent condition and work together very nicely.

The Atelier components feed M15's in the Living room (usually powered by a Crown CE 2000) the M12's (dual mono) in the family room, a set of L1090's in oak (rare bird) in the bedroom plus a set of L730's in my shop and some L300's at the computer. My ADS car gear consists of...........

I'm all ADS'd up.
 
LTRace said:
C2/3 cassette deck
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That is a scarce one. Not many were brought in. I bought one for my brother-in-law, the only one I've seen since I worked there.

I should dig out my Atelier rarities, CC1 remote eyes w/ Decora wall plates. When plugged into the CC4/R4 they enabled zone control from another room.
 
The C2/3 along with my oak L1090's came from a close friend who was an ADS manufacturer's rep way back when. Otherwise I don't think I would have them. The C2/3 using a quality grade tape sounds pretty darn nice, I don't remember cassettes sounding quite this good!.

soundmotor said:
I should dig out my Atelier rarities, CC1 remote eyes w/ Decora wall plates. When plugged into the CC4/R4 they enabled zone control from another room.
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All the Atelier components I have are using the 8 pin DIN interconnects with the RC1 remote control (have 2) Nice to have good basic control of each component via remote, even the P4 turntable! Pretty forward thinking of them at this time to use the CC1 remote eyes for zone controls too. Rare to ever see these I'm sure.
 
LTRace said:
The C2/3 along with my oak L1090's came from a close friend who was an ADS manufacturer's rep way back when. Otherwise I don't think I would have them. The C2/3 using a quality grade tape sounds pretty darn nice, I don't remember cassettes sounding quite this good!.

All the Atelier components I have are using the 8 pin DIN interconnects with the RC1 remote control (have 2) Nice to have good basic control of each component via remote, even the P4 turntable! Pretty forward thinking of them at this time to use the CC1 remote eyes for zone controls too. Rare to ever see these I'm sure.
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The C2/3 is a great sounding deck, on par with the C4 and with metal tape, really tough to hear any difference between CDs. I bought a C4 based on that. Amazing your CC4 & R4 still working. They either were serviced and got the relay mod fix or were later Tatung built ones. If they say made in Korea, they are Tatung. To add to the body of knowledge someday it would be very helpful if you could ohm out one of your cables and verify which DIN pin goes to what. I believe it is a straight-thru connection with pin 1 to pin 1 and each in succession the same.

Bostown said:
the remote + control cables. , Technically im missing 2 things since I dont have the turntable . If one crosses my path sure , Id grab it. Same for the remote.
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Remotes are tough. They were fragile because of the index feature and usually got tossed when the owner switched to a universal. The cables are a bit easier though. They use 8 pin round pattern DIN plugs. Horseshoe pattern ones look similar but not the same. These are getting tougher to find but they are still around. For cable you can use standard 8-conductor plenum or thermostat type (Home Depot). IIRC, pin 1 on one end to to pin 1 on the other on the DINs all the way through. I think that info was in the CC4 & R4 owners manual too. But that should be verified as one of them may swap 1 -8 & 8 -1 or similar.

@Bostown & @LTRace you guys should talk about cables
 
timblade68 said:
Am lovin my CM7's..............
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Has anyone ever had the opportunity to A/B the CM's against any of the popular, older L-Series. The CM's are an engineering marvel by comparison (composite enclosure, 4th order crossover), but I have to remind myself that technology moving forward doesn't ALWAYS produce the desired results.
 
Porkloin said:
Has anyone ever had the opportunity to A/B the CM's against any of the popular, older L-Series. The CM's are an engineering marvel by comparison (composite enclosure, 4th order crossover), but I have to remind myself that technology moving forward doesn't ALWAYS produce the desired results.
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It might help to put the CMs in context with ADS at the time. They were not intended not replace the L line, but were priced above it as a new category. ADS essentially abandoned the bookshelf category for ~2 years until the L7e-L9e came out (the B7/B8 had no real impact). This made sense as demand within the dealers was moving towards smaller speakers with subwoofers. Further, the bookshelf category was stuffed with nearly every speaker company jamming models into that slot. However, ADS was too early and perhaps should have introduced the CMs while keeping the L line to hold the spot as there was still a lot of business there. Other companies moved right into the ADS speakers + receiver for $750 spot immediately. A pair of CM6s cost more and the bookshelf category continued along for ~3 more years. It wasn't until the early 90s that it started to taper off and the chubby bookshelf gave way to more streamlined models that were part of a home theater system.

The reality though (and to your question) is that the CMs were compared to the L line in stores that still had them and there was no comparison. The Ls were more efficient, seemingly dynamic, had good standalone bass, and all this when run off most mid-fi receivers. The CMs by comparison were in a tough spot. They needed a decent amp behind them to shine and for the CM5 & sometimes the CM6, a subwoofer. This was compounded by the SW5 reliability; poor, and availability; poor. For the first `6 months many were service boomerangs. By the time this was sorted out it was clear that a relaunch was needed. That was the SAT5-7, SUB10-12, and the L7e, L8e, L9e. So a more accurate comparison is to that line. Although not a efficient as the earlier L line they are (IMO) more neutral with a better top-end.

/ymmv
 
I may have an Atelier remote or two, if someone will post a pic I can take a look. Whether they're working or not, would be another question.

John
 
So how do the Sat5-7 compare to the CM5-7s? I've got a pair of Sat6s collecting dust that I'm not sure what to do with. I ran them in surround duty for a limited time and they were fine there.
 
virii01 said:
So how do the Sat5-7 compare to the CM5-7s? I've got a pair of Sat6s collecting dust that I'm not sure what to do with. I ran them in surround duty for a limited time and they were fine there.
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If you find that you don't have a use for them, you can always try to find a new owner for them via Bartertown :)
 
Bostown said:
If you find that you don't have a use for them, you can always try to find a new owner for them via Bartertown :)
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I've considered that as I have a few other items sitting around as well. I need to get them all setup and tested first.
 
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