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A sickly SR840

PhilA

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A sickly SR840 (any help appreciated).

All,

Recently came by this receiver whilst purchasing another one- guy and I got chatting about stuff and he mentioned he had it as "it didn't work very well and hey, you can have it if you think you want to fix it".

Sure, why not?


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Got it home, it's cosmetically a little untidy but all the knobs and buttons and stuff that gets knocked/falls off seems to be present.

Cracked the front off and gave it a little bit of a clean up. The chromed plastic bits have corroded- I didn't do any more than scrub with an old tooth brush and some dishwashing detergent. They've pitted and pocked like an old faucet. Still, better than it was.


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Brought it up gently on the variac. No excess current draw, no nasty surprises. Yup, cleaning the front panel didn't fix it! On the up-side, I don't feel like I need to wash my hands after touching it any more.

The front panel buttons all work, and according to the display, they all seem to be trying to tell the various boards inside what they are supposed to be doing. Sorta.

It's dusty-ish inside but not horrible. Looks like it's been stored in a garage, from the light corrosion. Nothing major, that'll happen to anything ferrous left outside here in a day or so. Batteries have leaked but damage is minimal, to the zinc coating on the chassis only. No boards affected by the leak.


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Selecting AM or FM brings the tuner display to life and it scans the display through the scale over and over, picking up nothing (though, that being said, I don't have an antenna hooked up. Still, there's one very strong local FM station that'll pick up over a long piece of wire, a diode and a loudspeaker) and even selecting that station brings in nothing even with FM mute/squelch off.
Pushing the volume buttons causes an audible but very faint pop with each discrete volume level. The volume LED's count up and down as appropriate.

Connecting a source to the CD (or any other input apart from Phono, didn't try that) creates a low volume output on both loudspeakers which has all the audio qualities of a transistor radio whose batteries are dying.
Selecting the input button you are using makes it go quiet. It's present on all other inputs, including AM/FM.
Pushing tape monitor causes a coil-driver blowing POP which quietens with each successive push. Leave it a half minute and the POP-pop-pop-clik-snap-...-..... returns. No improvement of sound.

I bypassed the preamp/mixer stage and hooked up directly to the power amp stage. Audio from both channels loud and clear.

Re-seated all the ribbon cables I could get to. No change.

Lifted the board out that's under the AM/FM (?) board. It has all the low-level inputs on the back. There's a couple D1406 transistors mounted to moderately large heat-sinks that evidently run hotter than the surface of the sun, judging by the dust/carbon/soot/muck accumulated on the chassis next to the heat-sinks and on the base of the AM/FM board above. (Cleaned since the photo).


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I've reached an impasse with it though. I don't have (or can't find for free on google) a service manual. There's nothing inside to indicate what voltages should be present from the standby or the main power circuits.

Anyone able to help with some insight? From what I read it doesn't have all the usual foibles (working, but one channel out etc) these receivers seem to present.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the ramble

--Phil
 
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Alrighty. Reassembled it tonight.

I'll admit, I'm secretly afraid of all the cross-connects and the 4 stacked boards up by the front panel.

Regardless, I saw something of an oddity- one of the ribbon cables coming from the front panel up by the LCD driver board (I think) was hooked into the main preamp board with another of the plethora of ribbon cables inside.
Stripe on all the others means PIN 1. Stripe was plugged to 6. Switched it out so stripe was in 1.

AMFM 8888.88 kHzMHz

Nope, that don't work

Switched it round again, back to E., which means "You didn't set the clock". The battery pack is currently five feet away with no batteries in. It forgets the time and all the presets when it's unplugged. Big deal.

Tried, out of morbid curiosity to tune the radio.
100.3, KLRZ tunes in and the FM STEREO light illuminates. No signal strength light though. Same really poor audio. At least the trouble seems to be on that board or one of the tone board(s) up front.

Connected directly to the power amp input again with crocodile clips and got nice undistorted, loud audio.

Next up, voltages where I can find them and I'm going to try and chase the audio signal through from the back.

Phono input doesn't appear to work at all.

--Phil
 
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Rapid-post update :)

With a modest antenna (two croc clip wires across the 300 Ohm FM antenna posts) I get three of the signal lights lit.


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Found the audio path off the radio board. Output there is a modest +-0.5V which is enough to briefly drive a pair of high-impedance headphones. Stereo FM coming off the board with pleasant clarity.

Poked the voltages to the main (?) board underneath at JP530 (pictured)


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Standby / On (FM selected):

Pin1: 49 mV / 14.76 V
Pin2: 200 mV / 25.51 V
Pin3: 15.02 V / 12.57 V
Pin4: 15.44 V / 15.11 V
Pin5: -3.54 V / -3.55 V
Pin6: 367 mV / 0.57 V

I'm going to read pins 1, 2 and 6 as "off", as they appear to float to millivolt range in standby. 3 sags a bit but 12.5V seems fairly sane, as do the rest of the voltages (exception being -3.5, which I would expect possibly -3.5 unless it's -3.3V then it's again sane)

All voltages with reference to chassis. All voltages DC.

Those seem like some normal-ish Marantz voltages? (silly question)


Thanks


--Phil
 
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(...and no, I know I may be chasing allsorts of problems, being as all the components inside this thing are original)

I don't have the cash to shotgun it right now though. Plus, I need to hone my troubleshooting skills :)

Waveform generator and oscilloscope possibly once Thanksgiving has passed us by.

--Phil
 
Chris, it's difficult just trying to muddle my ay through this thing- the chip numbers don't turn up any datasheets either so I'm not sure what I'm looking for where. I'll have to see if Toshiba have anything on them.

Either way, I began to probe about near the big chip at the back of the board (Toshiba TC9151P), and noted that one side of it has nothing at all on the pins.

Got it all running on the variac (mine's got a voltmeter and ammeter built in so is nice to keep an eye on)

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The waveforms available at the pins are pretty ugly. Heavily clipped towards zero:


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Compared to the input (FM) which is only marginally ugly (single sweep captured) but that could easily be the radio station itself:


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I'm leaning toward my gut feeling that it's the chip mentioned before. Apparently they're still available in the UK as surplus for 5 pounds a piece. Might see if I can get one on order.

--Phil
 
Buttoned up and shelved for now. I'm likely to do more harm than good just poking at unknowns for the moment.

Hoping I can turn up a service manual at some point for it. It's not a bad receiver, by the feel of it. (I await correction).

--Phil
 
Was discussing audio equipment with a friend today. This Marantz came up.

I'm as far as I can get with my main hi-fi now, so I'm tempted to turn back to this beastie and see if I can get anywhere.

Short of shotgunning the thing with new electrolytics and checking tolerances... I really don't savor that- I'm going to extend a feeler to see if anyone knows of an available service manual for this.

Thanks

--Phil
 
Found a manual for this, had a look through and has some some useful information (voltages, for instance) so it's given me some very useful insight.

I'll be sticking it up on the bench (kitchen table) soon, it'll be good to get it going. Not that there are any AM Stereo stations around here...


Phil
 
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Found a major issue. There is no - 15 volts.

Either the Zener diode or transistor that's regulating it is bad.

Gonna order up some spares and see how it goes from there.

Phil
 
I can't find any reference to this part anywhere (ZD50-157) but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess is a 5 amp 15.7 volt Zener.
The voltage on the base of the transistor shows "-16" so I'm going to hazard a guess at either 16v or 15.75. Most likely 15.7 because the emitter is marked -15 (0.7v drop) so..

I bought both, and a replacement equivalent PNP.

Phil
 
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You said some transistors had been burning up the board. This is usual for voltage regulating circuits. Check the solder joints here - reflow this area and you have a good chance of fixing this thing.
 
I'll check those ones also.

I have zero volts at the base of this PNP, which is connected via a resistor to the collector; the base to ground via a Zener.
So, likely the Zener has gone short.

Phil
 
Okay, so it's a half Watt, 15.7V Zener. The closest I could get was 15.75V so that'll have to do.

--Phil
 
Half hour of troubleshooting and we have a cause and repair.

Capacitor across the -16V rail had gone short (probably due to Marantz speccing it as a 16V item), bringing with it the PNP regulator and the Zener diode.

Replaced this little lot..

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Also replaced the resistor that had burned up on the preamp board, R443

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Net result, audio from both channels in stereo FM.

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Quite pleased with that. The voltages are all quite a ways off spec and after about 15 minutes of playing the front panel went weird then it shut off. All capacitors suspect.

Overall not bad though. Quite pleased with my 80's excess right here.

--Phil
 
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