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across the bench: an electronic menagerie of diagnostic oddities plus photos and design analysis

sae-7125

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not sure if this is the ideal location for this "accumulation over time" thread but we shall see what happens.

due to the various repair/diagnostic/forensic analysis items that go across the bench it seemed boring to create solo threads for everything. so... one thread with various hit & run posts +photos might be perceived as a bench monkey journal or log book. a quick start from the beginning:

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kaboom detector v1.0 (40w x2 dim bulb + variac + watt meter), outdated configuration of components vs today.
 
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grundig lacarno, anyone?


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nice warm healthy glow.

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testing the 1.5w receiver, what pair of speakers shall be sufficient... decisions...

this was a repair/refurb from a couple years ago, anode resistor nuked itself in the rf section, such a mood killer.
 
here is the little monster that instigated the creation of an ak account:


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brain surgery of the gorler tuning gang for the sae monster. replaced several components, soldering two grains of sand together would have been easier.

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the monster aka sae mark vi (a) nixie tuner, fully functional now. i high-jacked another persons thread with the investigative details (nixie board chips).

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sae super stack , as i refer to it, the gang is back in action and together again (ready to rock), shopping for new vu meters was interesting but functional.
 
occasionally something newer hits the bench:


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meridian power amp

although more recently a setton rs-440 receiver, thank you jacky setton for some uniquely different knobs.





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nice cosmetics even though a little too much silver/shine.

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sanken s-80w although schematic shows s-60w (pinouts different). glad its an 80 since the dc rails can hit 50v or more if your not careful.

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butt shot, look at that gorgeous iec receptacle instead of the usual permanently attached "cheap" and ratty line cord. also 130v selector option (awesome, this i like and for good reason).
 
and now for something completely different, diy mods:

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modified an art audio signal isolation transformer box into a 2.5mm trrs (balanced) to rca (trs equivalent) stereo adapter since the e1da dac is not unbalanced friendly.

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the isolation mod was connected to this topping headphone amp which received an upgrade. numbers looked good before the mod.


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bumped up the power/filter cap numbers including temp rating. also deleted the rear panel for better thermal management.

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and this is what happens when a bench monkey is left alone too long with scrap speakers in close proximity, klipsch horn + kef + velodyne + 10ga speaker cable.
 
in the realm of power conditioners, plus the lovely analytical testing over at audiosciencereview dot com (thank you amir), it is difficult to differentiate useful hardware vs profitable sucker bait i.e. marketing placebo effect. its difficult not to be derogatory towards some areas of the hifi hobby regardless of manufacturing date.

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here is an older p300 from ps audio, to be fair this was pauls first product/attempt and 1st gen anything will have issues.

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other than terrible thermal management there seems to be a "stress until burnt" design issue for the logo back light. future revisions tried installing a cooling fan in the bottom plate with no air hole on the top or sides (swing and a miss, perhaps).

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this is an upside down view of the unit, look at all those electrolytics that will be cooked. at least the pcb strips the caps are soldered to is easy to access and service.

fyi: most vintage gear has a mains txf rated for 110v or 113v or 115v or 117v (usa market) and applying 120v or higher bumps up the dc rails plus stresses the txf closer to or potentially beyond saturation. a recent encounter with a monster sized phase linear dual 500 amp demo'd the importance of a slightly lower ac mains voltage and selecting low impedance mode (dc rails at lower voltage).

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dual 500 getting ready for action.

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dual 500 inrush measured, it says in the manual may trip 15a breaker on start up, 20a circuit recommended.

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pioneer sx-1250 trying to be king of the hill, i think the phase linear amp weighs more.
 
it might be a good idea to avoid proton d1200 power amp, regardless of the seductive big green vu meters. unless you have a high tolerance for electrical self destruction.

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the face plate reflections really borked this photo, have to find something better..

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when removing the bottom plate the output transistors are exposed, i wonder whats wrong with this picture.

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here is a hint, something(s) gone kaboom which gets expensive. the dynamic power feature can do some damage when touching the input rca (+) connection. fun part is trying to discover how many pcb traces were vaporized and repair them.


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such a pretty face, that will burn up many a trace. disregard the velodyne 15 inch sub lurking under the bench, connecting this amp in mono mode to feed the amp-less sub would have been deafening.
 
More than once I've opened a thing and pointed to the bad part without touching any tools. People act amazed until I tell them I was just looking for the part with a hole burned through it. Doesn't take a whole lot of diagnostic know-how to know its not supposed to look like that. The real challenge is figuring out why, and what else it took with it.
 
The real challenge is figuring out why, and what else it took with it.
aint it the truth, also if the part(s) can still be sourced somewhere on planet earth.

the threshold fet ten /pc phono preamp next on the bench needs a low profile txf. if all goes as planned, a package from australia is waiting for pickup with the missing piece of a poorly engineered puzzle (electrical safety).

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power module ate itself when a tantalum cap on the phono pre decided to short across +15v and ground.

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after the txf extraction. oh look, carbon comp resistors which aged... ok, maybe.

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6va txf has seen better days.

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heated up and the contents tried to escape. all because of no fuses used in the design. sounds a bit like disposable engineering.
 
Built in obsolescence is an ugly and very common thing unfortunately.
Gone are the days where things were built to last for several generations.
I guess you can only sell so many of something if it lasts forever. :biggrin:
The SDS "Wall-0-Sound"! Looking at all those Mylar SL tweeters make my ears bleed just looking at them. :yikes: It would cost a small fortune to replace them in those with the smoother sounding RDO replacements though.
I'm glad there was only one per speaker in my Monitor 10's.
 
Tantalum caps are annoying. They work perfectly fine until abused just a little bit, then blammo! Doesn't take much over-voltage and they usually fail shorted. Extra fun when they actually explode.

and why anyone builds things that power from AC mains without a fuse baffles me, but lots of things were made that way. I fool with a lot of stuff built many decades ago that had no fuses, and I always add one.
 
while i am compiling the latest data for the threshold (photo, thermal, dmm), how about a thorens td 121 (sme tonearm) with a h. h. scott stereomaster.

the bundle of joy from australia arrived safe and sound, txf completed the threshold plus some solder joints needed reflow.

special thanks to russell at time-tunnel in rooty hill nsw.


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just chilling out waiting for a new home.

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tonearm close up.

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you dont see a dial like this anymore.

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mr scott with a pair of yamaha heavy monsters, note the wheels.
 
Looking at all those Mylar SL tweeters make my ears bleed
indeed, also aged ferro-fluid tends to reduce the lifespan of anything original. polk tends to run the tweets a little too low (hertz) which can burn them up at high db levels. tweet no like high excursion, obviously nothing below 200hz.

Tantalum caps are annoying. They work perfectly fine until abused just a little bit, then blammo!
and yet manufacturers still enjoy using them, past/present/future seems to be a tradition of extra blammo with a side of transistor magic smoke.

a few thermals of the threshold ten:

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normal face plate point of view (right side), looking inside and the tall electrolytics should help with where in the chassis.

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same view only leaning forward and looking at the inside half of the face plate (right side). hot spot is/was a 4.7k precision resistor (originally 185f temp, hence the mod). the resistor is connected between the plus and minus dc supplies i.e. 50v total. new resistor value much happier now.

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middle of the chassis, nothing of thermal concern.

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left side of the chassis, no major hot spots.

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hot spot is the 2.2k resistor feeding the red LED indicator.

all temps are with the preamp at idle (around 10 minutes) and no signal nor in/out connections. obviously mains power connected to supply and then to preamp. there was an odd inconsistency/intermittent connection with the left channel which seemed like oxidation of the dip switches. proved to be some oddball solder connection and manufacturing defects.

there is plenty of space on the power supply hobby box for mains fuse plus dc +/- fuses. conrad johnson mf-2200 had no problem with such things (fuses). if only cj could do a better job with thermal management for the pv5 tube preamp (major parts cooker, even with the top off).

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conrad johnson solid state heavy amp.
 
fabricating an adapter plate for a new plate amp, readily available drop in replacement was the idea, can be a bit of a pain.

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one monster size and extremely heavy b&w subwoofer minus the plate amp.

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the new amp that seems to have enough guts to rock the house. somewhere i should have a photo of the adapter plate and final mount but nothing in the archive so far, quite annoying. that is the bass port for this sub enclosure, deleted for improved performance and seismic activity.
 
and the final wrap up of the threshold phono pre.

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a difficult component to source in this day and age, thank you nsw.au (time-tunnel). txf in bag obviously the bad/replaced component.

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a frontal shot to help make sense of the thermals posted earlier. the 470uf 35v orange towers near the center of the preamp seem to have little electrical importance. each pair is in parallel in addition to the 10uf axial (green) film cap and there is maybe 7.5mv of dc across the caps (one trio per channel, with reference to chassis ground) regardless of mm/mc jumper selection. a potential update might be to reduce the 470+470 down to one 100uf muze series of electrolytic plus maybe another film (radial) to further decrease esr. or it might be a complete waste of components too, further design study, and a schematic, needed.

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the front right corner hot spot mentioned during the thermal rant earlier. using a 1w 2% 5.6k to reduce thermal intensity by 50f. also updating a component (resistor) that is constantly subjected to the full rail to rail dc supply. if the resistor has a bad day, say goodbye to another txf. no fuses nor electrical protection, someone must have been smoking some stellar granola or something, although i have encountered far worse circuit designs. it is also interesting to note the transistors that are hugging the orange electrolytics, collector and base are shorted and being used as a rubber diode.




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happy new-old-stock txf from the land down under (vegemite optional, 1922 inception) plus measuring +/- 25vdc output off of the filter caps. the preamp is stamped with 15v which must be the transistor amp internal parameters vs power input required.

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all back together plus a couple of "new tech" visitors. line level to phono (anti-riaa) adapter board in the background. makes it easier to test phono input on receivers without hauling out yet another table. the preamp indicator light is so recessed it may as well not even exist (manufacturer went too deep). the small and large boards are dc to dc buck boost regulators. i used the small board with its 12vdc input to create +/- 15vdc to test the preamp while waiting for the txf shipment. not realizing 15v is a bit too low for the main dc rails which are normally 25v, oops but it still worked.

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mains numbers, no dim bulb active, showing how little the system should consume, 6va txf is 6w assuming 100% power factor. the 40w dim bulb (single) is too high and might not protect the system is it goes nuclear again. should have used a 10w for circuit protection. this photo also shows dim bulb kaboom detector version 2.0 vs earlier in this oddity of a forum thread.

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one last glamour shot of a rather nice "sounding" phono preamp. simple cosmetics, nice contrasting color scheme, when a black/dark chassis is utilized. this photo has a mediocre color balance, at best.

next up, the unusual root cause of power issues on a kenwood kr-7050, yeah its a weird one. and yet lighter than the rotel rb-1090 (-2 version) that nuked a channel (also next).
 
apparently the lifespan of a pace solder tip/module is far less than it used to be. so annoying when expensive/new hardware becomes defective ahead of schedule.

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after maybe 10 hours of accumulated use, mostly sitting on the auto-setback stand. electrically measures open on the power contacts vs 14r on a functional tip.

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i wonder how many of the other tip i bought at the same time are wait to go defective...

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a sneak peak at the rotel rb-1090 single channel carnage. channel pcb's are mounted vertical on either side of the amp chassis. pair of large heavy toroids in the middle of the system.

 
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