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Aerial Acoustics 7B Impressions

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I just picked up some new-to-me Aerial Acoustics 7B speakers. Earlier today, I wrote some fairly lengthy impressions to a friend who owns another model of Aerials, so I thought I'd post my impressions here as well.

Background:

I've been using Sony SS-M7 speakers up to this point, which have dealt well with my somewhat difficult room (HW floors, sliding glass door - a somewhat hard, reflective room). I've been quite happy with the Sonys, but felt at times they were too rolled off at the top and lacked some energy. They also only go down to ~47Hz, so the lowest bass is lost. Attempting to address that, I added an EQ to boost the highs and also used a sub to augment the low end.

I have a couple of acoustic panels on the side walls at the first reflection point, but no throw rugs, or other treatments to soften the room. Just one couch where I listen, as well as some CD and Expedit LP racks for holding my music.

The electronics used: Bryston 1B preamp, Forte 3 amp (200W into 8 ohms, 400W into 4 ohms), Oppo BDP-95 disc player. My Thorens is acting up, so haven't tried any records yet.

Placement-wise, the back of the speakers are 28" off the back wall, width about 8' apart, ~15 degree toe in, and my seating position is about 10.5' back. I imagine they might be even happier farther out from the back wall, but my room limits how far I can pull them out without obstructing an entryway.

In my room, about 15 degrees of toe-in seems to give the best balance of power/energy while maintaining soundstage width. Straight ahead gives arguably give the widest soundstage, but the vocals seemed a bit recessed and energy is lacking somewhat. Toeing in further than 15 degrees may give marginally increased the power/energy (though if so, it wasn't drastic), but the soundstage width seemed to collapse/compress and things seemed less dimensional.

I moved the Sonys out of their positions and against the back wall to give the 7B's adequate spacing. Since it's also not quick to change the bi-wire spade connections on the back of the speakers, I decided to just form impressions of the 7B's and "compare" them to the Sonys from my memory. I've had the Sonys in place for months, so I have a good idea of their characteristics without doing a real-time A/B switch.

Sonic Impressions:

The 7B's are very well balanced speakers. I had read that they're slightly on the warmer/darker side and not at all sharp/bright despite using a titanium tweeter. I find those comments to be very true. They provide more high and low end extension, more detail, and more energy and punch compared to the Sonys, but they're not objectively bright.

Likely due to having more high-end extension (vs the Sonys), I can hear certain details (esp things like brushes/hi-hats) without straining or feeling like anything is recessed/veiled. But I wouldn't say they're ultra-detailed either. Details are there, but they're not in your face. In overall character, they're actually somewhat similar to the Sonys, in that they're full sounding, cohesive and somewhat on the dark/warm side of the spectrum (but only slightly). In my room, that's a definite positive. They aren't at all fatiguing on the top-end, which has been an issue on some other speakers I've tried here.

They do their thing effortlessly and I'd summarize them as "slightly laid back, yet still audiophile sounding".

The only demerit (in my room) that I've observed so far is the bass. At times, it can be a bit overpowering on bass-heavy tracks - I think more so when I had them closer to the back wall. With these speakers, I definitely don't need a sub - there's plenty of bass energy and depth. They may not be quite as tight as the Sonys (and this I'm not actually sure about), but definitely deeper and more powerful. I need to experiment w/placement a bit more or buy some bass traps and play around with them. It doesn't concern me at this point as I think it can be addressed with some effort.

In a nutshell, the 7Bs address the shortcomings of the Sonys (high/low end extension, detail) without venturing into danger zones (brightness, leanness) that would be long-term dealbreakers (for me). They're not the type of ruthless speakers that make bad recordings sound really bad or detail monsters that compel you listen for minutiae vs just enjoying the music. They're somewhat forgiving speakers in that way.

I believe they'll also be more capable of revealing differences in electronics (vs the Sonys) and their ceiling is higher. Roughly estimating, I think I gained 10-15% extension on the high end, 15-20% on the low end, and maybe 10-15% on overall detail. Looks-wise, they're unexceptional, but not objectionable. I prefer the look of the Sonys and it would have been ideal to have one of the non-black wood finishes on the 7Bs to make them 'prettier'. But that's a minor point. With the black ash, they look better/classier IMO with the grills on, while I think the non-black finishes probably would look better grill-less.

They do allow me to disconnect both the EQ and the sub to simplify my system, which is nice. From everything I've read, they need a lot of power and current to come alive. At the volumes I listen at, the Forte seems to be just fine in providing the power and current they need.
 
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Nice to see some comparisons of newer vs. old respected models. Thanks.

Aerial is where Mike Kelly, formerly of ADS, set up shop and some of the sonic description of the Aerial seems in line with his former work, getting better all the time, I guess.
 
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I have the original Model 7s and they bettered every other speaker I could audition in the price range; I still have them 20 years later.

As an aside, I had a love affair with ADS speakers while I was in high school/beginning college, but could never afford them - initially I didn't know that they were designed by the same person (totally different sound character, however.)

Trust me as you make changes in your upstream components you will hear the differences.

Congrats on a killer speaker!

Happy Listening!
DeeCee
 
I have the original Model 7s and they bettered every other speaker I could audition in the price range; I still have them 20 years later.

As an aside, I had a love affair with ADS speakers while I was in high school/beginning college, but could never afford them - initially I didn't know that they were designed by the same person (totally different sound character, however.)

Trust me as you make changes in your upstream components you will hear the differences.

Congrats on a killer speaker!

Happy Listening!
DeeCee

I did see through all my searching/research that you were one of the relatively few AK'ers that owned Aerials - and I gathered that you were very happy with them.

My friend who really likes his Aerials also has the original Model 7 like you do, btw. He tends to like more aggressive/forward speakers (he had Klipsch Fortes for quite a while), while I tend to like the slightly warm/dark side of the spectrum. So I'm a little surprised that we both ended up with essentially the same speaker, but he also goes quite a bit louder than I do, so maybe they get sufficiently forward at higher volumes.

I've never really heard ADS speakers - how do their sound characters differ? Just curious.
 
I did see through all my searching/research that you were one of the relatively few AK'ers that owned Aerials - and I gathered that you were very happy with them.

My friend who really likes his Aerials also has the original Model 7 like you do, btw. He tends to like more aggressive/forward speakers (he had Klipsch Fortes for quite a while), while I tend to like the slightly warm/dark side of the spectrum. So I'm a little surprised that we both ended up with essentially the same speaker, but he also goes quite a bit louder than I do, so maybe they get sufficiently forward at higher volumes.

I've never really heard ADS speakers - how do their sound characters differ? Just curious.

Congratulations on your new Aerials and thanks for the excellent thorough review. I also recently acquired a pair of Aerials, and I am still getting adjusted to them and hope to do a review of my own soon. As a huge ADS fan (6 pair and counting) I had been running a ADS 1590/ then completely rebuilt L1530s as my main speakers. As I mentioned in a comparison thread (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/my-take-ads-l1530-and-l1590-2-comparison.769915/ ) the L1590/2 were absolutely excellent, but the L1530s were just had more presence. Deeper bass, a more refined high end too. I don't think the L1530s imaged better than the 1590/2s but in all other areas enjoyed them more. The margin wasn't great between them but the L1530s quickly became my main speaker, one I was planning on keeping forever. I believe the outstanding domes in the ADS tweeter and mid-range drivers is what makes ADS special. The definition and imaging are just wonderful. The other thing I found with the better ADS is that listener fatigue is eliminated. I have had wonderful JBL and Polk speakers that I just couldn't listen to for more than an hour. This is never a problem with the ADS. Then comes an opportunity to acquire the Aerial 10Ts. They were a bit of a stretch having just acquired the L590/2 and L1530 this year. I am SO happy that I found a way because Aerials don't come up for sale often and they are that good. For sound and build quality the Aerials are in a whole other universe. I spent a few hours this weekend in awe of what I was hearing. In short, the Aerials are not going anywhere. While listening this weekend, they floored me just about every 5 minutes. I would just shake my head and smile at what I was experiencing. They are that good. I can hear the evolution of Michael Kelly's (&crew) genius, and he has a lot to be proud of. Aerial's Customer Service is world class too. I needed a couple grill pegs and E-mailed the company. Michael Kelly himself responded to my E-mail and helped arrange the purchase. How about that????!!!! What a company.
 
Great to hear that you are smitten Joseph. In our various discussions we've been having as of late here (you included) on the upper end ADS options several of us have suggested the Aerials as the next logical step with mike Kelly being the common denominator. Great to hear your impressions and that this notion is playing out.
 
I am another Aerial Acoustics fan who started out listening to ADS speakers (L880 II's) designed by Michael Kelly when he was at ADS. I'd describe their sound as warm, distinct and well rounded although depending on the source some detail may sound as if it was slightly diluted. Either way, they suited my ears to a "T".

I currently own a pair of Aerial Acoustic Model 8's and I am very, very happy with them.
 
Similar story. Had a small collection of ADS speakers with the intent of building a 5.1 system. Had a line on an Aerial Acoustics sub which i acquired which then led me to a pair of 8Bs for mains and model 5s for surrounds. The 1230s reside in the basement on stereo duty and are truly wonderful but the 8Bs, especially in a "wife friendly" home theater setup were a no brainer. With plenty of good power they are great in stereo mode as well and don't need a sub.

I can also vouch for Michael Kelly and his fantastic customer service. Not only was he responsive to emails, he has answered the phone himself when I've called.
 
I did see through all my searching/research that you were one of the relatively few AK'ers that owned Aerials - and I gathered that you were very happy with them.

My friend who really likes his Aerials also has the original Model 7 like you do, btw. He tends to like more aggressive/forward speakers (he had Klipsch Fortes for quite a while), while I tend to like the slightly warm/dark side of the spectrum. So I'm a little surprised that we both ended up with essentially the same speaker, but he also goes quite a bit louder than I do, so maybe they get sufficiently forward at higher volumes.

I've never really heard ADS speakers - how do their sound characters differ? Just curious.
In regard to the ADS (as far as memory serves, it was longer ago than my Aerials), I would have to say that they had a "tighter" sound. The Aerial line as compared to the ADS seems to dig deeper into the bass, if I recall. The one common thing is that they both get the mids right which is the thing for me; the Aerials being more detailed without "getting in your face."

Regarding going loud, the Aerials are virtually limitless... as you go up in volume there is a point where they seem to jump into life - if you haven't tried them way LOUD - take your best rock, funk or orchestral work and GO FOR IT. You'll see what I mean - they don't break into a sweat whatsoever.

And yes, if you call Aerial most likely you'll speak to Michael - a heck of a nice guy (I've met him and he's a primo music lover - it shows in his products.)
 
Thanks for all the comments - great hearing people's experiences!

Mine didn't come with stands or spikes - just the plastic feet. Can anyone comment whether it's worth pursuing getting spikes only or the stands with spikes? I have suspended HW floors.

I'm guessing it will be very difficult to find a used pair, so getting stands may involve buying a new/custom pair from Sound Anchor or similar - in other words, a non trivial cost.

If advisable, I'm wondering what it would buy me in terms of improved sound and to what degree.
 
Thanks for all the comments - great hearing people's experiences!

Mine didn't come with stands or spikes - just the plastic feet. Can anyone comment whether it's worth pursuing getting spikes only or the stands with spikes? I have suspended HW floors.

I'm guessing it will be very difficult to find a used pair, so getting stands may involve buying a new/custom pair from Sound Anchor or similar - in other words, a non trivial cost.

If advisable, I'm wondering what it would buy me in terms of improved sound and to what degree.
It depends; due to how revealing your upstream components are - to save money I used audio points from starsoundtechnologies.com.

I found that spikes added some midrange clarity in my application; but prepare for diminishing returns (YMMV).
 
I loved my Aerial 7b's, truly a great speaker. The most revealing speaker I've ever had for tube, cable or source changes up the chain which actually makes them incredibly fun to play with. Truly pleasant speakers, wish I still had my pair.
 
I loved my Aerial 7b's, truly a great speaker. The most revealing speaker I've ever had for tube, cable or source changes up the chain which actually makes them incredibly fun to play with. Truly pleasant speakers, wish I still had my pair.
Captain Curious asks, "What speakers did you go to after the Aerials?"
 
I loved my Aerial 7b's, truly a great speaker. The most revealing speaker I've ever had for tube, cable or source changes up the chain which actually makes them incredibly fun to play with. Truly pleasant speakers, wish I still had my pair.

What kind of tubes did you run with these? I keep reading that they need lots of power and current - didn't even think of trying a tube amp with them, though one with sufficient power I bet would sound GREAT! I have an idle ST-70, but I can't imagine that 35W would be enough for these guys.
 
I heard Aerials run pretty well on a BAT amp - say approx 60 watts or so... They do prefer lots of "oomph".
 
I used it with a Vincent 236mk (smooth plate Telefunkens), it was very fun with them. I think it was 150w per channel @ 8 ohms. My Primaluna Prologue Premium didn't quite pull out the bass like the Vincent at 37 wpc.
 
I used it with a Vincent 236mk (smooth plate Telefunkens), it was very fun with them. I think it was 150w per channel @ 8 ohms. My Primaluna Prologue Premium didn't quite pull out the bass like the Vincent at 37 wpc.

Ah, that makes more sense. Vincent is a hybrid, so you have a SS amp in there. My friend with the Aerial 7's (non B's) is using a Vincent 236mk with his now and he's very happy with the combo.
 
I would love to have a set of 7t's. I've got a Vincent SV-237 integrated amp and like hearing about the synergy between the Vincent and Aerials.
 
What kind of tubes did you run with these? I keep reading that they need lots of power and current - didn't even think of trying a tube amp with them, though one with sufficient power I bet would sound GREAT! I have an idle ST-70, but I can't imagine that 35W would be enough for these guys.
You may want to check out Bob Latino's ST120 or better yet M-125 monos - I'm sure those guys would put sufficient kick into them (I've never heard them myself - just noted in regard to reputation.)

Unfortunately tubes would get a little too warm in my listening room...
 
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