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Aiwa AD-F640 (AD-S40) losing speed after new belts

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After the success in bringing an Aiwa AD-F220 back to life, and the subsequent enjoyment of getting back into playing tapes again, I decided to take a look at my other Aiwa deck, an Aiwa AD-F640, in some markets it is called the AD-S40U. This was my original cassette deck, and the second "decent" deck that I bought myself, the AD-F220 was my first. I bought it a long long time ago, it came with me when I moved from the UK to the USA almost 25 years ago. I bought a parts deck, and robbed the transformer out of it, I wish I had kept the rest of it.

About two years ago, the original belts bit the dust, and it was sitting in my equipment rack gathering dust. Last week, I ordered a belt and idler tire kit from an eBay seller that ships out of Spain. I had heard some good reviews of them. There are two belts, one that goes from the capstan motor to the first flywheel, the second that goes from the first to the second flywheel, this being a dual capstan design.

However, after fitting the belts and idler tire, I noticed something strange. The deck will play for about 30 seconds to a minute, then then gradually lose speed. It doesn't lose it, insofar as slowing to a stop, it just slows down slightly and then maintains this slower speed. Prior to this, the deck has always working fine for me. Observing the belts, I can't see anything obvious going on. With the deck playing, I was expecting to see maybe a belt riding off on the motor pulley, but it stays tracking right in the center of the pulley.

With this in mind, I wondered about the electronics. I measured the voltage across the motor, expecting to see around 12V as it's a 12V motor. What I actually measured was 9.54-9.56V. Looking at the service manual, it appears the motors and the two solenoids run off a separate 10.5V supply, which I measured at 10.43V. When the deck is in play, pins 1 and 2 of connector 8 measure 10.43V and 0.83V, which kind of makes sense of the 9.54-9.56V measured at the motor. I also held my meter across the terminals of the motor as it plays, and it doesn't lose any voltage when the speed drops.

It does not appear to be over tensioning the tape. Indeed, this Aiwa has an auto tape slack cancel feature, which spins both reels briefly to take up any slack when you first insert the tape. I have tried ejecting the tape and closing the door again, and also doing a brief FF/RWD when the deck is running "slow", but it doesn't take away the problem. If you leave the deck for a couple of minutes, it will start up at normal speed again.

Any ideas on this?

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Yeah that is interesting, check those two transistors, maybe a drop in current? Does turning the pot inside the motor do anything with speed?
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Any ideas on this?
Does this capstan motor have an internal speed adjustment screw accessed through the hole in the motor back plate? Have you tried adjusting it slightly, maybe the control is oxidized and resistance intermittent with heat generated by the motor. The other thing could be dirty commutator and brushes. Have you disassembled it and cleaned/lubed it?

Maybe this thread will help?
https://www.tapeheads.net/threads/aiwa-ad-f990-speed-becomes-slower-after-warmup.107287/

You can also check this if you need a new motor:
https://www.tapeheads.net/threads/u...t-cassette-capstan-motor-available-now.32263/
 
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If its got a trimmer inside the motor, the speed regulation circuitry should all be inside the can. If the voltage supply is stable, any speed problems are likely internal to the motor. Not a clue how serviceable they are but I wouldn't be surprised if its common old electronic component type failures. Whether you can do anything about that is another story.
 
I finally got the bench space to take a look at this cassette deck, and to take the motor apart. From the pictures below, you can see that there are a couple of caps in there, and a trimmer. I replaced the caps with some that were in my parts stash. I also put some DeOxit on the trimmer, and worked it back and forth a few times, making a note of roughly where it was so I could return it back to that position.

Initial reports seem good, I could not detect the speed slowing down that I could before. This could be because the speed is now a little off. Since I don't have any test tapes, probably what I will do is play a CD through it, and compare the pitch to a tape with the same song on it that was recorded on this machine. This is a three head deck, so it will be easy to just switch between Source/Tape on the front panel, and listen with headphones. I'm thinking something with a lot of piano in it.

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Scratch that. I'm sitting here listening to a tape, and the speed is wavering around. It comes and goes though, seems like it's warmed up and is steady now. I think it might be a dry joint on the PCB somewhere. I was just working on an AD-F330 (got that cassette deck fever) of a similar age, and that has a lot of dry joints.

I did wonder if it might be the tape. As I might have mentioned on my other thread, I haven't played these tapes in over 10 years, maybe longer. But the tape deck in the other thread (AD-F220) is only a single capstan design, whereas this AD-F640 is a dual capstan.
 
If it’s an old prerecorded tape don’t trust it. If it’s something recorded on a decent tape, Maxell, TDK, etc… I’d be more concerned.
The old tapes can get issues and suddenly start playing badly.
 
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