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AL (AL Klipsch crossover 80-88 or 89 bi amp La Scala Question?

TheHaskills

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Klipsch La Scala Industrial speakers. Yes, they have the “dreaded” AL Crossover...

That stated: I’ve never had the opportunity to listen to Klipsch La Scala’s. Add one Klipsch SW-112/113 “What ever it takes..”

What would be the best way to bi-amp the Crites AL-3’s? Using two power-amps?
Best thoughts on bi-amping Industrial
La Scala..
 
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AlTinkster92 said:
Whats wrong with the AL crossover may I ask? Thanks....
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Some designer went crazy using notch filters in every driver in the AL crossover. Making the frequency flatter does not necessarily make the sound better. The AL crossover is a good example. I think most would like the AA crossover much better. Paul Klipsch favored the simple 1st order crossover using as few components as possible. The trend these days is just the opposite. I think horns sound best with simple 1st order crossovers but then I have not played with 3rd order crossovers that much. Takes many more components to build them, why bother if one likes the sound they have.
 
TheHaskills said:
Klipsch La Scala Industrial speakers. Yes, they have the “dreaded” AL Crossover...

That stated: I’ve never had the opportunity to listen to Klipsch La Scala’s. Add one Klipsch SW-112/113 “What ever it takes..”

What would be the best way to bi-amp the Crites AL-3’s? Using two power-amps?
Best thoughts on bi-amping Industrial
La Scala..
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Most people I know that bi-amp Klipsch speakers do it with active crossovers. You could do it without an active crossover but you will have to build your own crossovers or modify the ones you have.
 
wdecho said:
Most people I know that bi-amp Klipsch speakers do it with active crossovers. You could do it without an active crossover but you will have to build your own crossovers or modify the ones you have.
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Thanks for the information.
 
TheHaskills said:
Thanks for the information.
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If you can find the schematic of the AL3 I will tell you how I would do it. I am having trouble finding the AL3 schematic online now but I do know it is not that hard to do. I experimented with over 30 different crossovers many years ago for my LaScala's. You will need to separate the bass section from the rest of the schematic, simply cut a connection and hook the wire coming from the bass section to the amplifier and attach the other end of the wire you cut to the other amplifier. There are 3 different circuits in a 3 way crossover for each driver.
 
TheHaskills said:
Best thoughts on bi-amping Industrial La Scala..
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Do a search on "Jubescala" which is the big K402 on top, biamped. In my book, if you really want them to convert to outstanding, look into either the huge K402 or the smaller K510. Have both, heard both, they both make the stock LaScala sound like a toy speaker. I can create one here if you are ever in the area.


wdecho said:
Paul Klipsch favored the simple 1st order crossover using as few components as possible.
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I once heard Roy Delgado (engineer at Klipsch) say in his later years, PWK was starting to lean towards steeper sloped crossovers. I think he passed before he delved too much down that path. (but I don't know those details)
 
That is the split one which I found but I think you one can get the idea from it. Just look at where it says split with the x's. You want to separate the woofer from the rest of the circuit.
 
I once heard Roy Delgado (engineer at Klipsch) say in his later years, PWK was starting to lean towards steeper sloped crossovers. I think he passed before he delved too much down that path. (but I don't know those details)[/QUOTE]

But also PWK was almost deaf in his later years but you are right in now Klipsch is using steeper crossovers. The engineers must be on to something. That being said I have read many times about ALK's steeper crossovers that the sound is not that good at low volumes but sound better when louder. In other words you have to open them up. There are proponents and opponents for both ways especially with horn speakers.
 
For perspective, I had a pair of his ES crossovers in my Khorns (when I had Khorns) and I still have a pair of his ES crossovers in my LaScalas.

I was once at the factory in Hope with a handful of people. (one of the get-togethers that have been done)

One thing we did was Roy took us into his listening room and we did some non-critical listening of different slope crossovers. (along with different drivers and some other things)

My take away was the side by side finally made me understand what people mean when they say "it was like a veil was lifted from the sound" as that is the only way I could think to describe it. Now, could I walk into your room and say "AH HA!!! You ARE (or are not) using ES crossovers? Nope. Not me & my ears. However, when doing them side by side it is clearly noticeable having the extra clarity. Now, is it worth the cost for that bit of clarity? That's a personal call for someone.

I think if you lay into the volume with them, the better isolation of each driver would allow them to play a bit cleaner at higher levels (my opinion, I don't know that factually)

I've sometimes felt that if someone listens to their music as more background music, then a lower order crossover might be more appropriate and if they are a crank it up dude, then the ES's might be a better fit for them.
 
Coytee said:
For perspective, I had a pair of his ES crossovers in my Khorns (when I had Khorns) and I still have a pair of his ES crossovers in my LaScalas.

I was once at the factory in Hope with a handful of people. (one of the get-togethers that have been done)

One thing we did was Roy took us into his listening room and we did some non-critical listening of different slope crossovers. (along with different drivers and some other things)

My take away was the side by side finally made me understand what people mean when they say "it was like a veil was lifted from the sound" as that is the only way I could think to describe it. Now, could I walk into your room and say "AH HA!!! You ARE (or are not) using ES crossovers? Nope. Not me & my ears. However, when doing them side by side it is clearly noticeable having the extra clarity. Now, is it worth the cost for that bit of clarity? That's a personal call for someone.

I think if you lay into the volume with them, the better isolation of each driver would allow them to play a bit cleaner at higher levels (my opinion, I don't know that factually)

I've sometimes felt that if someone listens to their music as more background music, then a lower order crossover might be more appropriate and if they are a crank it up dude, then the ES's might be a better fit for them.
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Thanks for your perspective. I can agree with everything you said. I do listen to my speakers at what most describe as loud and have found no fault at all but then I have never heard my speakers with 3rd order or more crossovers. As I said the engineers at Klipsch think they sound better so I will not say they are wrong but I have not found anything wrong with using 1st order crossovers.
 
Coytee said:
Do a search on "Jubescala" which is the big K402 on top, biamped. In my book, if you really want them to convert to outstanding, look into either the huge K402 or the smaller K510. Have both, heard both, they both make the stock LaScala sound like a toy speaker. I can create one here if you are ever in the area.




I once heard Roy Delgado (engineer at Klipsch) say in his later years, PWK was starting to lean towards steeper sloped crossovers. I think he passed before he delved too much down that path. (but I don't know those details)
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Thanks for the information!!
 
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