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hi, my dad gave me an old pistol a few months back, he got it from his dad and he got it from his dad., its an old sheep herders gun, thats what my dad says, its a .32 automatic that fires 6 rounds, it has a little carved sun with a face on it and says ca-si, made in spain, ill post some pics when i get a chance, anyone out there know anything about the company that made it?
i could use some help.
 
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Couldn't find it in my Fjestad's "Blue Book of Gun Values", but I think I can safely surmise it was made in Eibar, Spain, & possibly imported as maybe a "house brand" for some hardware store. There were literally zillions of small caliber, cheaply made guns cranked out there up until the 2nd world war. If it still has pretty much all of its bluing left on it, you MIGHT get 75-100 bux or so out of it. Maybe. Realistically, you have a gun that might be fun to shoot, AFTER you have a gunsmith check it out, & not worry too much about if somebody "borrows" it, except for the sentimental value.
 
here is some pics i took of it, can anyone i.d. it?
 

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Sandy G said:
Couldn't find it in my Fjestad's "Blue Book of Gun Values", but I think I can safely surmise it was made in Eibar, Spain, & possibly imported as maybe a "house brand" for some hardware store. There were literally zillions of small caliber, cheaply made guns cranked out there up until the 2nd world war. If it still has pretty much all of its bluing left on it, you MIGHT get 75-100 bux or so out of it. Maybe. Realistically, you have a gun that might be fun to shoot, AFTER you have a gunsmith check it out, & not worry too much about if somebody "borrows" it, except for the sentimental value.
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ok thanks for the input, i havnt fired it yet, my dad had it for 30 years and he said he never did eather, it seems to be ok.
 
stereorob said:
ok thanks for the input, i havnt fired it yet, my dad had it for 30 years and he said he never did eather, it seems to be ok.
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Any firearm that's been out of service as long as that one, should always be examined by a gunsmith before it is fired. The results of firing an malfunctioning/unsafe pistol or rifle can vary from unpleasant to deadly.

On the research side of things: I can't find anything in my texts about it; but going by appearance and given the age and country of origin, it appears that it may have been modeled loosely on (read - reversed engineered from) the pocket Colt automatics of the early 1900's.

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Kinda has an almost "25ish" look to it...Anyhow, 32 ACPs were VERY common in Europe back when they could have guns there-They were designated 7.65 MM over there, generally weren't a military caliber-It was illegal to have a pistol in most European countries that was a "military" caliber, & were mild enuff to where they could be simple blowback actions, w/just a stiff spring to work them. John Browning developed the basic design, FN in Belgium & Colt's over here made the better ones, but the design was so simple it was copied by dozens of smaller gun makers, & again were turned out by the bushel-baskets full up til at least the Great War. But yeah, DO have it checked out by a gunsmith before using it-Who knows, the firing pin might be broken, or the safety might not work any more.
 
On the research side of things: I can't find anything in my texts about it; but going by appearance and given the age and country of origin, it appears that it may have been modeled loosely on (read - reversed engineered from) the pocket Colt automatics of the early 1900's.

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holy crap! ur colt looks allmost identical!!
 
Definitely do like Sandy and Steve suggested and let a competent 'smith look at it and test fire it. You wouldn't look very good with part of the slide stuck in your face. Very serious.

Murray
 
It was probably made around 1920-1930s for the French prior to WWI or later for the Spanish - American War. There were multitudes of Spanish gun makers using that design. The only information I found on Ca-Si was on this site:

http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/blue2.html

which claims it was made by this manufacterer "Fab. d'Armes de Guerre de Grande Precision". Yet, that same manufacterer used multiple proof-marks which according to
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f37/looking-info-10524/
doesn't list Ca-Si as one.

edit: the gun is a replica of a Star Ruby model. It looks like this model w/o the strap loop:
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/blue12.html
 
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I have the Bauer .25 auto which is a modern Stainless Steel exact copy of the Baby Browning. I have both checkered walnut and Faux Pearl grips for it. I also have a second mag and wallet holster for it (looks just like a thick wallet in your back pocket) Awesome reliable little hole maker.
 
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