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Asiana airline 777 Crashes On Runway SFO

A county coroner said Sunday that his office is conducting an autopsy to determine whether one of the teenage victims of the Asiana Airlines crash at San Francisco International Airport was run over and killed by an emergency vehicle.

Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White told the San Francisco Chronicle on Sunday that the girl found on the side of the airplane had injuries consistent with having been run over.
 
AOL Huffinpuff post is reporting the Pilot was in training and had only 43 hours in type (in a 777)
 
CNN says now that the pilot was maybe taking a check ride and there were maybe three
captains on board "Too many chiefs and not enough Indians maybe?"

Could it be the pilot was worried about procedure and cockpit discipline and momentarily lost his situational awareness with all those captains aboard?

They also say that the check pilot in charge possibly should have made a correction sooner and may have also have failed to notice the low speed/altitude in time . Maybe some heads will roll at the airline when they get back . I don't know if Korea is into hari kari but the Japanese sure were! You know the lawyers on both sides are evaluating liability here .Considering the damages it is probably good for the survivors that Asiana airlines had 2.25b insurance on the flight .
 
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And now a San Francisco Bay Area television station which had been touting its coverage of the Asiana 214 crash has fallen victim to an embarrassing hoax.

KTVU Channel 2, on its noon news on Friday July 12, announced that it had learned the names of the four pilots on Asiana 214 when it crashed (never minding that two of the pilots had already been identified and the names didn't match). On the air, KTVU's Blonde Bimbo Talking Head identified the four pilots as "Captain Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, Ho Lee Fuk, and Bang Ding Ow."

Ironically KTVU had been has been trumpeting how fast and
accurate its coverage of the Asiana Airlines crash has been. From KTVU.com:

> This past weekend viewers flocked to KTVU Channel 2 News for coverage
> of the tragic crash of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 at San Francisco
> International Airport (SFO).
>
> KTVU Channel 2 News owned this breaking news story with a number of
> firsts!
>
> - First on-air.
>
> - First on-line.
>
> - First with alerts to mobile devices.
>
> - First on Twitter & Facebook.
>
> - First with aerial shots from KTVU NewsChopper 2.
>
> - First with a live reporter from the scene.
>
> - First live interview with anyone connected to someone on the
> flight.
>
> “Being first on air and on every platform in all aspects of our
> coverage was a great accomplishment, but being 100% accurate,
> effectively using our great sources and social media without putting
> a single piece of erroneous information on our air, is what we are
> most proud of as a newsroom,” said Lee Rosenthal, KTVU News
> Director.

And now KTVU has gone from First to Worst.

The KTVU gaffe has been preserved on YouTube by more than one user, and has gone viral. One of the YouTube posts:
KTVU "names" Asiana Pilots
 
News readers (some apparently not so smart at KTVU )have replaced news journalists. Maybe they should evaluate some of the folks continued employment status there .
That wouldn't have happened with Dennis Richmond .
 
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Amazing that the check pilots failed to notice...is that not the reason they are there? One Pilot may have had one landing device as "armed", not on. both pilots consoles have to be equal.

But anyway...more than one person F'd up...

Also, lots of accidents are from low hrs in type of aircraft, especially when they go from single to multi-engine.
 
So, I've heard that social behavior may have some bearing here, one of those being an unwillingness to challenge an elder/pilot with more seniority. They do know that 2 of the cockpit personnel called to abort the landing, but far too late to actually do anything about it.
 
what the hell? social behavior my a$$. How can they agree to transport passengers, and be responsible for their lives, but have this customs bullshit be involved?

I have heard that This issue is what brought down the japanese 747 that flew in circles until it ran out of gas when they lost part of the vertical stabilizer.

This simply shouldn't happen.
 
brichter said:
So, I've heard that social behavior may have some bearing here, one of those being an unwillingness to challenge an elder/pilot with more seniority. They do know that 2 of the cockpit personnel called to abort the landing, but far too late to actually do anything about it.
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I'm not saying it's not possible, but I do think it highly unlikely that social behavior of that sort was involved, for the reason that I'd bet any pilot that has found his way to a commercial jet cockpit has been made well aware of how such deference to a senior led to the worst accident in history, the collision of two 747s at Tenerife in the Canary Islands in March 1977.

In that case, which has been well-studied and used as an example of what *not* to do for 3 decades since, flight crew members failed to challenge their Dutch KLM captain amid his mistake, leading to a collision with a Pan Am flight. The total of 583 dead is still the highest number from any airline accident. The case is used in training worldwide to illustrate the importance of all flight crew members taking responsibility to be assertive in assurance of the safety of their flight.

I *do* find it troubling that with four experienced pilots on board, the call to abort came so late as I think it quite odd that not one of the four noticed the point where their airspeed had fallen incredibly low. The pilots said they had the auto throttle set to 137 knots (158 mph) and assumed (there's a problem for you) that the engine thrust was appropriately maintaining that.

But there are a couple of prior incidents with 777s where throttle controls did not increase engine thrust when set to do so (one of those attributed to icing in the fuel). Even in summer and "sunny California", that is a possibility here, given temperatures at altitude. (I've climbed mountains where it was 108F at the base and way below freezing up top. Airplanes live in that cold upper air and it may well take time for icing to clear if it happens.)

At the point 214 hit the seawall, it was travelling at 106 knots/122 MPH. Four seconds before initial impact, the stick shook (the indicator of imminent stall). What I'm puzzled by is that that indicator/warning occurred so late--when the plane was well under stall speed already for some distance. That makes me wonder about the instrumentation, along with everything else on the table, because that warning should have come well before they got down to 106 knots.

None of the pilots aboard have indicated there was any problem with throttles and thrust, so I'm left wondering about instrumentation or failure of the crew to read their instruments.

If it turns out that four experienced pilots failed to read the airspeed indicator and altimeter (if they were working/indicating correctly) and merely relied on auto controls at that most critical moment, I'd be a bit surprised, especially since the auto glide slope control at the airport was out.

It'll be interesting to see the final NTSB report on this one.
 
In regards to KTVU gaffe they have been on the air for 55 years they should have known better and had someone cross checking what goes into the teleprompter
keeping in mind some of their newsreaders aren't paying much attention to what comes out of it!

What is even more unfortunate is that 4 pilots even the airline check pilots apparently for some yet to be determined reasons were not able to land what appears (at least for now) to have been a fully functional aircraft in calm clear daylight .
 
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The pilots story seems to be all over the place. First it was that the Automatic throttle controls did not work. The latest I heard was that he was blinded by some light. I'll wait for the NTSB report, though that'll take forever.
 
I wonder how does being blinded explain this...Its like politicians, when they try to explain a F'up, it sounds ridiculous!.
 
I'll get to fly on three different 777's on my trip to Laos next February. Glad to see how tough the airframe is. Landing in Beijing, you often can't see the ground and can rarely see 100 meters ahead.
 
frankxbe said:
In regards to KTVU gaffe they have been on the air for 55 years they should have known better and had someone cross checking what goes into the teleprompter
keeping in mind some of their newsreaders aren't paying much attention to what comes out of it!

What is even more unfortunate is that 4 pilots even the airline check pilots apparently for some yet to be determined reasons were not able to land what appears (at least for now) to have been a fully functional aircraft in calm clear daylight .
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I'm afraid that it may well have been a cultural thing. Korean and many other Asian pilots fear 'losing face' if they abort a landing. Saw a lot of that with South Vietnamese pilots in the American War.
 
I'm afraid that it may well have been a cultural thing. Korean and many other Asian pilots fear 'losing face' if they abort a landing. Saw a lot of that with South Vietnamese pilots in the American War.
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Good point ! I thought about that especially with 4 in the cockpit. I've done business with Asians never had to worry about getting paid they can be tough negotiators and you never want to put them in a position of loosing face but when done they stick strictly to the deal and as a rule they were very consistent, in that respect I liked doing business with them
.Face might indeed have been a factor there.
 
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I guess some folks didn't notice that the information KTVU published was confirmed by the NTSB. :scratch2:
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But not ORIGINATED at the NTSB...

As said...erroneously confirmed by an intern who did not have that authority. But it was still KTVU who called them and asked. Whoever it was at KTVU who called for the alleged "confirmation" didn't hear himself saying, "Sum Ting Wong?"

It is so utterly incredible that it went so far. SOMEONE had to
create the graphic with the names. SOMEONE had to load the text into
the prompter for the news anchor. SOMEONE had to read it out loud and not even realize what she was saying.

KTVU must have a whole staff of automatons.

Perhaps it is because I don't take my ethnicity all that seriously, but what set me off was not the obvious racial slurs, but the level of incompetence from such a self-righteous TV news bureau. I had to laugh at them.
 
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