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AV system to Stereo -- Need suggestion

anis493

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Hello,

Hope every one is doing well.

I got budget to change my AV system into purely Stereo system.
Currently I am owning Yamaha RX-V1800 with Canton Speakers 2 X Karat 60 and 2 X GLE 60.

I don't want to replace beloved canton speakers, I think they will perform well with stereo. I would prefer to replace Yamaha only.

I have seen some people prefer to have dedicated pre-amp with tube amps for stereo only. I am not sure how impressive it is to have pre-amps with Tube amps or is it recommended ? If so, which pre-amps and tube amps are famous and good enough to enjoy clear stereo quality on volume level ?

I am having budget of 1000$ to 1500$. Please suggest something within my budget.
 
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anis: If you'd still like surround for the one or other thing, you could also combine surround and stereo, by running the front l/r pre-outs of the RX-V1800 to a nice integrated amp, preferably with switchable pre-out/main-in bridge or power-amp direct input (like for example a classic Harman/Kardon PM665 or a current Marantz PM8005).

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Good thought Manfred,
I will look to the given products. Any idea about Tube Amps ? How do they perform in Stereos ?
 
You may want to consider an integrated tube/hybrid amp and if necessary amp/speaker switch to toggle the front speakers between the Yamaha for AV duty and the integrated for stereo use.

An integrated will reduce the number of components by combining preamp and amp. By going with a hybrid, you can get a tube front end (preamp) and SS power stage (amp) in one unit to give you characteristics of tubes while plenty of power to go as loud as you'd need. Also, tubes in a preamp last a long time, so no worries in keeping a hybrid on for many hours for background listening without worrying that you're burning through expensive power tubes. My friend has a Vincent integrated hybrid (German design/China manufactured) that sounds very good and fits in your budget.

If your speakers are very efficient, you can consider all tubes with a tube pre and tube amp.
 
Your speakers are rated around 100 watts RMS with 150 watt music rating. But if they were built here, they would be probably rated at 200 watts peak. Now Canton has made some very nice speakers over the years and like the Danish B&O their forte' is the their mid bass to hF reproduction. Bass can be any where from tight and well controlled to a little shy depending on their placement. They are point source speakers and are designed to work in smaller rooms with shorter working distances. That all said they would make very nice primary Stereo speakers. If you love your speakers with a Yamaha unit you don't need tubes. Tubes are a very expensive indulgence. They cost tons to buy and are not cheep to maintain. Why restrict your self to lower Signal to noise ratios, magnitudes higher distortion with less woofer control and some times restrained highs, just to gain some midrange enhancement. Your speakers are great in the midrange area, so they don't need any help. And your tweeters will reveal any short comings of either tube or SS.

The choices out there are endless, and unfortunately you can't demo equipment like we use to in the 60's and 70's. Now if this to be a long term experience, I would recommend Mcintosh. The 7000 series is a good place to start. But if you want almost todays performance at a more reasonable price, you night want to look at models built in the early 2000's. Integrated units give the best performance for dollar spent. Separates will give you more dynamic range with very quiet back grounds, But consider this if your speakers are rated at 90db sensitivity then 200 watts would mean 113 db maximum. And even at 2 in the morning your residence will probably have a self noise around 20 to 25 db. Which when subtracted from 113, would be around 93 db dynamic range. Now the ear can listen into noise another 10 or so db. In other word if you hear hiss at 30 db you can still hear midrange 10 to 15 db lower in level even with the hiss being present. So add 10 db and you need an amp with 103 db signal to noise. N\ow I will admit if you listen 10 ft from your speakers the output level will drop almost 8 db meaning you only need 95 db signal to noise. So the choice is up to you. Anything below .1 % distortion is OK. Your speakers will have many times that amount. Check out Berner's website on Mcintosh to get an idea for what meets your needs. Then call round and take a test listen if you can. And remember because this is a long term commitment. Don't buy the first thing you see. (hear).

Another choice is NAD, they work well with European speakers with their smooth highs and defined bass. Pricing is negotiable and deals abound. Designed in Merry old England, but built abroad they are economically a good choice. Of the Oriental units, I prefer Pioneer Elite , and some Marantz units. Though Denon has a great vibe I'm not a fan, preferring Integra. Accuphase is my favorite Oriental brand, but here again this is a long term investment. $$$$$$$$. But in return you will gain great performance like Mcintosh for many generations.
 
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I got budget to change my AV system into purely Stereo system.
Currently I am owning Yamaha RX-V1800 with Canton Speakers 2 X Karat 60 and 2 X GLE 60.

I don't want to replace beloved canton speakers, I think they will perform well with stereo. I would prefer to replace Yamaha only.

I am having budget of 1000$ to 1500$. Please suggest something within my budget.

Anis, you have an interesting problem here. You want a stereo system (I suspect strictly for music) and you want to retain your 4 high quality Canton speakers.

What makes this interesting is by definition stereo is two channels and two speakers. Yet, you want to power all four of your Cantons and your Cantons are significantly different! For example the Karat's are 4 ohms and the GLE's are 8 ohms. To get these dissimilar speakers to balance will require two stereo amps (4 amps in total). That is, you'll need independent volume controls for each set of speakers. Further, these amps must be rated to handle 4 ohm loads and must be rated full range (i.e. not those little home theater amps rated at 1000Hz).

If you want a bunch of boxes, I wish you luck. If you want a single box to handle all of your needs, then I know of only one very unique system:

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/50-4640

This unit has in one box 4 full range amps rated at 100 wpc @ 4 ohms. Each amp has an independent volume control with digital readout so you can consistently set the volume for each set of Cantons. Now, when I say each amp I mean inside the box there are two independent stereo amps (see attached datasheet).

Notice that this amp is well within your budget, but I would not stop there! As twiiii stated your Cantons are great speakers, but not so great in the deepest bass. To your system I would add a high quality sub. Something like...

https://www.svsound.com/products/sb-1000

That is, a sealed box sub designed more for music than movie sound effects. Further, the sub must have speaker level inputs.

Hope this helps...

Regards,
Jerry
 

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Can't you just play your Yamaha in stereo? I have a Yamaha RX-V375 AVR in my living room, and I have always used it in stereo. Peace and goodwill.
 
I still use my RX-v1800 for HT duty, but went down the rabbit hole for better 2-channel SQ.

I'd first ask if you have run the auto-calibration setup on your v1800? If so, what EQ profile did you pick: Flat, Front, or Natural?

They have very distinctive profiles - you may find one that makes for a marked improvement to match your preferences.

There are many 'paths' you can take as the next step.

Is your plan to scrap the 4 speaker/surround setup you have now? Or move the Canton Karat 60's to a dedicated 2-channel room?
 
Hello,

Hope every one is doing well.

I got budget to change my AV system into purely Stereo system.
Currently I am owning Yamaha RX-V1800 with Canton Speakers 2 X Karat 60 and 2 X GLE 60.

I don't want to replace beloved canton speakers, I think they will perform well with stereo. I would prefer to replace Yamaha only.

I have seen some people prefer to have dedicated pre-amp with tube amps for stereo only. I am not sure how impressive it is to have pre-amps with Tube amps or is it recommended ? If so, which pre-amps and tube amps are famous and good enough to enjoy clear stereo quality on volume level ?

I am having budget of 1000$ to 1500$. Please suggest something within my budget.

Your Yamaha is a decent piece of gear. Did you try to run it bypassing sound processing? Did you try to use bi-amping mode for front pair? If you did and still do not like the sound - you need new speakers.
 
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