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Bad buying experiences

thurber

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Thought it might be fun to create an ongoing thread to document laughably bad buying experiences. Like I just spent three days arranging to buy some Boston Acoustics A100's in "excellent condition" with "walnut veneered" cabs. Settled on a price and coordinated over the course of a couple days. Showed up to find it was the apartment of the last cigarette smoker in San Francisco (which would have made the speakers smell interesting). The photos had somehow been able to hide every problem these speakers had. They were the vinyl veneered version with huge chunks missing out of several corners, every manner of scratch & scuff, dusty grilles, dusty everything. Take the grilles off and there are some cheap aftermarket woofers on there. I am terrible at pulling out of sales, but sheepishly declined and GTFO. Needless to say, I was set to drive a ways to check out some other speakers today, and decided to ask for a few more pictures first.
 
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I went to see a nicely priced Sansui 9090DB. Got there and the unit was playing. The seller would not let me touch the controls and tried to bum rush the deal. Turns out one channel was blown and he had both speakers on one channel in A+B. Even with a blown channel, the price was decent but at that point, I was looking at the door.

My other memorable bad was when buying a Pioneer Elite set. The C-90 was set to tone control bypass which takes the IC out of the path. Got home and the IC was blown. C-90 became a door stop.
 
Thought it might be fun to create an ongoing thread to document laughably bad buying experiences. Like I just spent three days arranging to buy some Boston Acoustics A100's in "excellent condition" with "walnut veneered" cabs. Settled on a price and coordinated over the course of a couple days. Showed up to find it was the apartment of the last cigarette smoker in San Francisco (which would have made the speakers smell interesting). The photos had somehow been able to hide every problem these speakers had. They were the vinyl veneered version with huge chunks missing out of several corners, every manner of scratch & scuff, dusty grilles, dusty everything. Take the grilles off and there are some cheap aftermarket woofers on there. I am terrible at pulling out of sales, but sheepishly declined and GTFO. Needless to say, I was set to drive a ways to check out some other speakers today, and decided to ask for a few more pictures first.
You don't need any more speakers. ;)
 
It’s not about need at this point haha
Yeah, I know that. This is coming from a guy that had to put nearly all of his possessions into a 10' x 10' storage locker. Let's see, umm
eight pairs of speakers...check, two turntables...check, dozen big boxes with receivers, amps, preamps. CD players, DVD players...check, chest of drawers, bookcases, living room chair, loveseat etc etc...get rid of 'em. A man's got to have hid priorities set right. :rolleyes:
 
Drove 350 miles one-way to spend time with Sister-in-Law and family. While there, spotted an eBay or craigslist deal another 300 miles (round trip) away. Person who responded to e-mail said I could pull the grilles off the Carver Amazing Loudspeakers to verify woofer foam. (Known problem with them.)

I drive there, it looks like a family-run crafting store, floor-to-ceiling with crap. Some old coot is sitting beside the speakers. I ask to turn the speakers around so I can pull the grilles...and he comes unglued. I tell him that I've already gotten permission to pull the grilles...He refuses.

I say "ok" and pack up my screwdrivers. He asks how I'm going to pay for them. I said "I'm not, you've wasted my time" and walked out the door. Hours of drive-time and gasoline flushed down the toilet because someone who WASN'T the seller was handling the online part of the sale.
 
Drove 350 miles one-way to spend time with Sister-in-Law and family. While there, spotted an eBay or craigslist deal another 300 miles (round trip) away. Person who responded to e-mail said I could pull the grilles off the Carver Amazing Loudspeakers to verify woofer foam. (Known problem with them.)

I drive there, it looks like a family-run crafting store, floor-to-ceiling with crap. Some old coot is sitting beside the speakers. I ask to turn the speakers around so I can pull the grilles...and he comes unglued. I tell him that I've already gotten permission to pull the grilles...He refuses.

I say "ok" and pack up my screwdrivers. He asks how I'm going to pay for them. I said "I'm not, you've wasted my time" and walked out the door. Hours of drive-time and gasoline flushed down the toilet because someone who WASN'T the seller was handling the online part of the sale.
WTF WOW!!!
 
Made a deal with an AK forum member (I should say former AK member) to by a Pioneer 8100 Hey its only about 50 miles off the route the wife and I were taking to Seattle. The seller calls wants to know if we can meet somewhere they have somewhere they have to be. SO we end up meeting in a parking lot. OK no problem its an AK member. RIGHT I get home and find that the thing has been jerry rigged and would never have played if plugged in. I ended up parting it out saving a few other units for other AKer's and in the end due to a couple of rip off deals the A hole is no longer a member here.
 
My worst in-person used purchase was not so bad, but sometimes circumstances conspire against you. This was a CL listing a few years ago, with ADS L780 speakers, a nice-looking 70s Marantz receiver - I've forgotten which one, but about 30wpc, giver take. And another item or two I've completely forgotten. All priced separately, and not too high, and the pics looked good. I wanted the speakers, which looked to be in excellent condition.

So I get Christine to drive me to the guy's house; he's at work, and his wife is clueless about the gear and the deal, but knew we were coming. She opens her garage and it is packed like sardines with junk. One speaker over there, the other over yonder, the receiver and other bits stacked in yet another spot. No way for my half-crippled ass to get to them - I was precariously using a cane at the time, before progressing to the walker I now use.

But my lovely, skinny wife (115 lbs on a good day) is a gamer, so she climbs in and over and around and in between junk to look at the stuff. The speakers were in very good condition, and the receiver remarkably so. He was asking more for the speakers than I really wanted to pay, but considering his space problems, I thought I could make him an offer for all of it, then sell everything but the speakers, and come out just fine. Figured they'd like to get it out of their way.

So I made an offer - I no longer recall the numbers - and she had to call him, but it was readily accepted - however, I had thrown in one contingency. If the speakers didn't pass my visual inspection after getting them out of the garage, I could back out. He'd agreed. Then circumstances began conspiring.

It started to rain. Well, we were concerned with the speaker's nice finish getting soaked, but the lady offers trash bags - the big, black lawn type. So she and Christine cover the speakers and carry them to the trunk - I had my wife's assurance that the cabinets were in good shape, and the speakers were the reason I bought all this stuff.

We get home, get them inside and unveiled and the cabs are indeed in very good condition, but why do they have different terminal plates? And different fuse-holders? Because one is an L780 and the other is an L780-II. I no longer want the speakers. Cal me OCD, or whatever, but I didn't even care what they sounded like at that point, just checked that all the drivers were working (yes) and listed it all on CL myself, for prices I thought would spur sales.

It only took two or three weeks to move it all along, and I profited about fifty bucks, though the potential for more was there, mainly because the receiver was in truly outstanding condition, and I let it go for less than FMV. But the whole thing was disappointing to me because I really wanted a nice pair of 780s - used to sell 'em.

The deals where I really got burned were ebay deals where equipment was never as claimed, so I quit buying there, but this one was disappointing because of the way chance grabbed control of circumstances and got my hopes up, only to dash them. I certainly would not have chosen to go through all this just to make fifty bucks, but at least I didn't lose.

The young fellow who responded to my ad for the ADS, in which I pointed out the mismatched versions, was super-excited to find them for the price. I reiterated to him that they were different versions, but he said, "They look the same from the front. They sound great (I had them connected) and I never thought I'd find speakers this good for the money. Especially ADS speakers in this condition. I'm stoked!"

Well, that was nice, and did make me feel better about buying them in the first place, since they offered a young audio enthusiast a nice upgrade opportunity. Fifty bucks profit ain't so bad with that added value.
 
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Purchased an NAD 3140 on Cr&pBay for around $70. Despite assurances it was in good working order, the first test proved one channel created extreme noise, crackling etc. What to do? Chuck it, re-sell it or fix it?

These NAD's are built like brick sh#t-houses and are just wonderful amps when they work properly, so I elected to send the unit to a specialist repairer in Sydney with $150 up front - to be deducted from the final bill. Anyhow, a couple of weeks later, over 30 caps had been changed, new power supply, complete clean-out and a bill for $550 less the $150 already paid.

The bad news is that this total was way too much for an old amp. The good news is that it is now as good as new and the sound is fabulous. I have it working with my Thorens TD60 Mk i and (initially) a pair of Micro Acoustic speakers - later changed for a pair of Aaron 5's The Micros now reside in my office with a Sansui AU217 and a Dual 505 player.

Heaven ain't cheap, but persistence can pay off
 
My only vaguely unpleasant experience was last summer. My SO and I were in a record store just kind of perusing the collection. There were also some vintage speakers and electronics, but nothing really caught my eye. I rounded a corner and there were 2 units displaying the legendary green lettering. I got somewhat excited. One was a C28. I got more excited. I looked at the price tag; $500. I got very excited indeed. This was normally above my pay grade. Could I possibly be the owner of an actual Mac component? I checked eBay, $1000 easy! But something was off. The price tag said $500 with service! What the hell does that mean, "with service"? The lady working told me the owner was nowhere to be found as it was a Sunday. I wrung my hands, but sense prevailed and I said I'd try to give him a call the next day.
Next day was a bust, but I was told he'd call me back Wed.
Wed I called back towards the afternoon, and he wasn't there, but the person working said they would absolutely get ahold of him and give me a call back by the end of the day.
The NEXT day I got a call. Apparently the unit was NOT in working order. The price was $500 and included a "going over from his service guy, and any expensive repairs would be extra".
I said, "It's a McIntosh. Everything is expensive for it!"
I passed on that deal, but now that I know a bit more about fixing stuff, I kind of wish I had grabbed it for maybe $400 if he was willing.
 
Yep, that's a lot of coin for forty watts. OTOH, it's got a really nice feature set, so the preamp part seems very well done.

http://www.hifi-classic.net/review/nad-3140-291.html

Actually, 40 watts on this rig is enough to blow you out of the room. Maybe it is the efficiency of the speakers or the added boost of the pre-amp/mixer as well as the acoustics of the stone walls and cathedral ceiling, but if the gain is put anywhere over the "2" mark the sound is so loud as to become unpleasant. The vintage Aaron speakers have really impressive bass, as well as lovely clean sound all the way to the top.

I appreciate this forum is not about classical music but anyone interested in testing the dynamics of his/her audio system could do worse than play the Gliere symphony number 3 - a vast work for a very large orchestra where the contra- bassoon, basses and brass are not shy of demonstrating their power. There are several excellent recordings of this wonderful work, including a few legendary Russian performances, but the London Symphony with Sir Edward Downes is my personal favorite - get the CD if you want the full dynamics but here is a taster:

 
I once bought some Sony APM22es speakers without taking the grills off. Later discovered they had no tweeters.

A few years before i'd bought some Tannoy bookshelf speakers, again without taking the grills off. Both bass drivers were missing.
 
I once bought some Sony APM22es speakers without taking the grills off. Later discovered they had no tweeters.

A few years before i'd bought some Tannoy bookshelf speakers, again without taking the grills off. Both bass drivers were missing.
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
 
^^ I would say "You mean the voters" but that would make for TWO inappropriate political posts, so I won't.

Both of these posts should go bye-bye.
 
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Heh, otoh i've had plenty of home made cabinets full of Kef B110's and T27's, 2 quads of Fane Crecendos and countless Celestion Greenbacks. I don't lose any sleep over the odd bad deal.
 
I just spent 30 minutes typing out a buying experience I had tried hard to forget about. And I will leave it where it belongs, in the past lol

But I will say this, minutes after this bad experience a great AK member, at an AK get together, stepped up and gave me a great deal on a Pioneer SX-780 that is still running great to this day, thank you Tom !!!!!

I love Karma :)
 
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