Bass and Treble

[kennyno]

Does anyone know of a external or add on type of bass and treble control I can add to my system?
I have a conrad johnson pv 11 pre amp and a Mcintosh MC 240 power amp and klipsch hershey 2 speakers.
IT sounds very good but lack a little bass and some treble, In the conrad johnson manual it mentions
using on but nothing else, any information would be appreciated,

 

[grindfix]

Does anyone know of a external or add on type of bass and treble control I can add to my system?
I have a conrad johnson pv 11 pre amp and a Mcintosh MC 240 power amp and klipsch hershey 2 speakers.
IT sounds very good but lack a little bass and some treble, In the conrad johnson manual it mentions
using on but nothing else, any information would be appreciated,

Good quality graphic equalizer would work between preamp and power amp, but it will be a compromise that many people will vote against

 

[century tek]

Yup, EQ. If your preamp has a tape monitor/loop, this is where it will normally go. If no tape loop, then the above mentioned will work but one reason why this is not the preferred connection is because of the noise floor level it creates in the speakers when there is no music playing. Noise is usually heard as hiss. Other than that, it works just fine in certain circumstances.

 

[Audiovet]

Not knowing either of your equipment I should perhaps keep quiet - but a lot depends on quantifying the "little bass and some treble". The solution may be two simple R-C networks, or a more involved graphich equaliser. Simple tone controls may suffice .....

If at all possible I would try a borrowed equaliser/tone control unit to get some idea of what is actually required before laying out for equipment.

I should exercise even greater self-control not to open another "tone controls are bad" thread. Perhaps then just to say Kennyno; if applicable, I have yet to read/hear scientific evidence that those are bad compared to the good they might do. That is excepting possible additional audible noise as Century Tek mentioned. At the signal level between pre- and main amplifier such may not be audible.

 

[Dadbar]

Get a sub for the Heresy. That will take care of the bass issue more effectively.

 

[twiiii]

You need tone controls no matter what kind of speakers you own. Personally I would think about upgrading to a Forte or Chorus myself and ultimately to a Cornwall if you have the space. I lived with Herseys in the Corners of of the Master Bedroom up against the ceiling and there was plenty of bass for us for over 30 years. The Herseys are gone now but we enjoyed great sound while they were in use. I lived with Cornwalls my roommate owned in college. They were great speakers. I guess thats why I still think for the money they were the best deal from Klipsch.

 

[bimasta]

Schiit just introduced a small tone-control unit. Four knobs. $150 (if I'm allowed to mention price). I think they have a return policy. Pretty cheap to try it and see if you like.

 

[primosounds]

I have a conrad johnson pv 11 pre amp and a Mcintosh MC 240 power amp and klipsch hershey 2 speakers.
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Lucky for you it is winter, cuz during this past summer my klipsch "hershey" melted when the AC went down.
But seriously, I think you should save your money and invest in different speakers. Nothing wrong with them but they are probably what is holding back the sound in your system. I would think that with a Mac and CJ, you would have no trouble with audio reproduction, so, maybe room acoustics, or some other weak link.
Have you tried an frequency sweep program? That would tell you the amount of sound coming from your system at different frequencies.

 

[shelly_d]

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Have you tried an frequency sweep program? That would tell you the amount of sound coming from your system at different frequencies.

Probably a very good idea. You can get a very good idea of the extent of the problem. It may be a good deal worse then you're actually thinking, or possibly a lot more trivial. Either condition may be present. The software for the computer is readily available for free:

Room Equalization Wizard:

https://www.roomeqwizard.com/

I use this mic (cheap and on sale right now):

https://www.parts-express.com/dayto...-for-tablets-iphone-ipad-and-android--390-810

add one of these adaptors

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Headp...1517434746&sr=8-3&keywords=pc+headset+adapter

and Bob's your uncle.

Good Luck

Shelly_D

 

[kennyno]

Lucky for you it is winter, cuz during this past summer my klipsch "hershey" melted when the AC went down.
But seriously, I think you should save your money and invest in different speakers. Nothing wrong with them but they are probably what is holding back the sound in your system. I would think that with a Mac and CJ, you would have no trouble with audio reproduction, so, maybe room acoustics, or some other weak link.
Have you tried an frequency sweep program? That would tell you the amount of sound coming from your system at different frequencies.

Maybe your right about speakers, what would you suggest? room 12 x 15 wall to wall carpet and sofa and chair. not good but its what i have.
thanks for coment

 

[kennyno]

Schiit just introduced a small tone-control unit. Four knobs. $150 (if I'm allowed to mention price). I think they have a return policy. Pretty cheap to try it and see if you like.

Thanks looks like what am looking for ,ordered one fed ex for $174.00 worth a try . let you know what i find .

 

[UncleBingo]

240 been rebuilt? My rebuilt 240 has bass for days. Made McCartney sound like the genius he is- he should be paying me! : )

 

[UncleBingo]

You need tone controls no matter what kind of speakers you own. Personally I would think about upgrading to a Forte or Chorus myself and ultimately to a Cornwall if you have the space. I lived with Herseys in the Corners of of the Master Bedroom up against the ceiling and there was plenty of bass for us for over 30 years. The Herseys are gone now but we enjoyed great sound while they were in use. I lived with Cornwalls my roommate owned in college. They were great speakers. I guess thats why I still think for the money they were the best deal from Klipsch.

I respectfully disagree with this in regard to tone controls. ADS and Dynaudio...

 

[bimasta]

Thanks looks like what am looking for ,ordered one fed ex for $174.00 worth a try . let you know what i find

Thanks. I'm eager to hear your thinking.

 

[Lavane]

Maybe your right about speakers, what would you suggest? room 12 x 15 wall to wall carpet and sofa and chair. not good but its what i have.
thanks for coment

The suggestion about the schiit might work. If you don't like it you can return it. I had a wide but not too deep living room. For me trying different output tubes made a difference. I tried EL34's, KT77's and KT88's. I settled on the 77's. The 88's had better low and high end but lacked a bit in the mids.

Thanks looks like what am looking for ,ordered one fed ex for $174.00 worth a try . let you know what i find .

Same here. I would like to hear more from people who have used one.

 

[primosounds]

Maybe your right about speakers, what would you suggest? room 12 x 15 wall to wall carpet and sofa and chair. not good but its what i have.
thanks for coment

Before spending big bucks, try a frequency sweep program to see if you have any that are depressed or being boosted. Sometimes other frequencies being more prevalent makes it seem that some are lacking. But your amplification and preamp are high quality as long as they are working properly.