Bi-Wire Speakers help

[Rocco]

I have some old Roger Sound Labs G8 Speakers that can be either Bi-Amped and/or Bi-Wired. Many years ago I set them up Bi-Wired to a single amp. I used double set of wires and remember it was pretty tough winding all that wire to fit into a single tap at the back of amp.

I since switched to running them standard (single wire) and used some kind of "shorting" bar across one set of speaker taps, then just wiring into the other set. Well, I lost those shorting bars--

Can I just make each single wire lead wrap around both taps?

I think that's how I did it once before, but it's been several years since I changed things around back there and just wanted to double check with you guys. (Actually, the speakers taps are on the bottom of this big tower speaker, not on the back--so it's also a job to lay them down and get under there!)

 

[RayW]

Yeah, you'll be fine. As long as you electrically connect both sets of terminals you'll be fine. The Macgyver method would be to use a gum wrapper. Just make sure you get a good connection on both sets and you're good to go.

Ray

 

[Rocco]

Thanks, Ray!

I'm gonna go with that, but almost want to do the Bi-Wire thing again. It was a hassle and really wonder if it was worth it.

More detail, perhaps, the benefit, and clarity because you got a separate wire for the highs and another for the lows--but, hey, isn't that what the crossovers do?

I really can't say if I did hear any difference with the Bi-Wiring. Perhaps I would need to also Bi-Amp the beasts to really hear it--time to think about getting 4 big mono blocks!

 

[RayW]

time to think about getting 4 big mono blocks!

Now you're talking!! :thmbsp:

FWIW, bi-wiring seems to be one of those polarizing issues. Some people swear by it, some discount it out of hand. Bottom line is if you like it, go for it but you'll have to listen both ways yourself. Of course horsing around with wiring like that is half the fun.

Ray

 

[himm37]

FWIW; I spoke to (The Late) John Dunlavy about this once, although all his speakers were designed to be bi-amped/wired he strongly advised against it. His speakers were all time-aligned, both physically in the design of the cabinet and electronically in the cross-over design. Once the signal was separated, there is no (easy) way to insure the alignment was not thrown off.

 

[Zilch]

Biwiring would not alter any of that....

 

[Face]

Biwiring would not alter any of that....

+1.

 

[kermit z]

I have bi-wired my Polks and I swear they sound better

 

[NicoR]

Biwiring would not alter any of that....

Bi-wiring shouldn't, but bi-amping could introduce phase delays if the amps are not the same or similar models (if I understand semiconductor stuff correctly).

(As a slightly random aside, technically, bi-wiring with radically different kinds of wire could create miniscule phase delays, but they would be of such a small magnitude to be negligible unless you ran your speaker cable across the state of Texas [in which case youd need a mighty powerful remote controls])

 

[goraman]

I have heard speakers wired up both ways,And I'm not a beliver as if you use a heavy 6awg .wire of proper construction from a good tube amp it will sound just peachy,If you use two twelve gauge wires from four smaller mono blocks of the same wattage and construction it will sound about the same if you have crossed all your tees and dotted all your eyes,but you will have spent alot more money as let's say two monos at 20 watts per chanel,or four flea powered 5 watt single ended monos.If it sounds better it will be because the smaller monos are single ended triode and the bigger amp is push pull but it will have nothing to do with bi wireing to a large degree.

 

[Zilch]

Let's say you're a believer in Cat5e for HF.

Biwiring allows you to use that, and 12 Ga., for example, for the LF.

['Course, you could do the same biampped as well.... :yes: ]

 

[goraman]

Let's say you're a believer in Cat5e for HF.

Biwiring allows you to use that, and 12 Ga., for example, for the LF.

['Course, you could do the same biampped as well.... :yes: ]

Yes,you are right. I am useing 6awg silver plated UHPLC very high strand count wire,teflon insulated sonare cable from a Seawolf class submarine simaler to most heavy mil spec stuff,a spare cable unused cut into 2 12 foot runs and doubble sleeved and turmanated with 3X silver plated copper banannas.They do a good job.I have heard 4X 8 foot solid silver (14awg or 16awg) I don't remember but they where all gray and thick by Audio Note.On a pair od Audio note speakers like Grumpys. The owner went from 4 to 2 by reinstalling the contacts useing 2 mono blocks at 2X9 watts.I really didn't say OH WOW! run it that way! So after that I just figured use a very large well made set of cables and "FORGET-a-BOUT IT!"
Others may feel differantly and I am ok with that but I couldn't see spending another several grand to bragg a differants I can't hear. but that's just me.
I think the small little ecsentrissitys are offten unnessery, besides I could easily buy a spell checker with the money I'd save!!
I am not ageinst it however in some cases like useing a tube amp to drive the tweets and ss to drive the mid/low driver or like you said if you want to use 000welders cable to drive your driver and CAT5 to drive your tweets who's gona care if it sounds good to your ears.It's your KIT ENJOY!