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Bullet Proofing The EFB Cathode Bias Regulator -- Including November 2025 Update

dcgillespie

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As with most things, time causes change, and so it has now with the cathode regulator iteration of EFB™. This approach to applying EFB to an existing amplifier -- or even new projects -- has been successfully carried out many hundreds of times either through the use of available boards for the small Dynaco amplifiers, hardwired into many of the seemingly endless supply of Magnavox (and similar) amplifiers out there, or planned into new-build construction projects of all types. It's simple, highly effective, and very economical to build as well.

Over the course of the last 10+ years since EFB was introduced, I have been -- or have been made aware of a handful of instances where otherwise successful installations of the LM 237/337 regulator used in cathode based EFB applications failed for no apparent reason. No smoke, fireworks, or explosions -- the regulator simply shorted, to the great consternation of the output tubes, because then all bias applied to them was lost. The failure rate is small -- with best estimates well under 1% -- but still high enough for me to keep a close eye on these occurrences over the years, as I think this failure rate is still much higher than simple manufacturing defects or catastrophic tube failures can explain.

Not being privy to all the factors surrounding each failure, it has made it very difficult to pinpoint any commonality as to a possible cause in any kind of timely way. And of course, actually trying to induce failure to speed that process up has -- well, always failed as well. However, recent work has shed some new light on possible causes, of which I am now confident enough in the findings to release the results of that work, and present the resolves developed that can be done to address the issues involved. No doubt some explanations of the unusual circuit action will be helpful:

STRESS MODE #1

Occasionally, I have been asked why the customary reverse-voltage protection diodes were not added around the regulator used in the EFB design to help protect it. Why? Because they don't apply to the way the regulator is used in the EFB application. In other words, it is not possible for there to be a reverse-voltage condition as customarily thought of, which testing during the development work bore out. As a result, no diodes were used.

A further complication is that the regulator -- as used in providing EFB operation -- is being operated in a way that (apparently) the manufacturers of the regulators either never considered, or at least never intended anyway. That is, all 3 terminal (3T) adjustable regulators are designed to regulate by seeking to produce a constant voltage between their OUT and ADJ terminals, as referenced against an internal voltage standard within the regulator. This is accomplished by using an external resistor voltage dividing network connected between the OUT terminal, the ADJ terminal, and ground. Because this network is effectively connected across the output of the regulator then, any change in output voltage causes the voltage through the dividing network to change the voltage appearing between the OUT and ADJ terminals, which then causes the regulator to act accordingly against its internal voltage standard, so as to correct the output voltage back to its original level. In this way, the output voltage becomes highly regulated in a very simple and economic way, to an exact value needed. This is the way virtually all 3T adjustable regulators operate and are classically shown to be installed in all the application sheets, with power supply caps invariably connected to (usually) each terminal in practical circuits, and protection diodes then often added to protect the regulator against the possible reverse-voltage conditions the caps can potentially create in this type of installation at shut down. Except....... that's not how the regulator is being used with EFB.

In the classic (and intended) design applications, 3T adjustable regulators ultimately act to maintain a constant output voltage to their load by varying their internal conductivity between the IN and OUT terminals to achieve that end -- as based on the changing conditions of the load the regulator is powering. In the EFB application however, the regulator is actually seeking to maintain a constant voltage between the IN and OUT terminals, by once again, varying its internal conductivity between these two terminals to achieve that end -- based on the changing conditions of the current passing through the regulator. In other words, the intended application has the regulator achieving a constant voltage at the output of the regulator, while the EFB application has the regulator achieving a constant voltage across the regulator -- an application the designers had (apparently) not envisioned.

To produce EFB operation, the voltage applied to the ADJ terminal is now no longer sourced from a voltage divider connected to the OUT terminal, but from a source of B+ voltage that ultimately causes the regulator to operate in a sort of "Transistor Mode" -- which represents a significant deviation from the intended use. This is an important distinction to recognize, made all the more important by the one fact that did slowly become evident over time: the regulator failures that did occur were all primarily associated with designs using SS B+ power supplies.

Continuing on, the internal circuits of the regulator operate from the voltage drop created between the IN and OUT terminals when current flows through the regulator. Therefore, a minimum voltage drop is always specified. The customary voltage divider connected between the OUT, ADJ, and ground nodes is designed to pass enough minimum current (usually about 5 mA) to properly reference the ADJ terminal at the intended output voltage, as set by the ratio of the divider resistors used. Then, by ensuring that the overall power supply design provides at least the minimum IN/OUT voltage drop across the regulator (so its internal circuits will operate properly), the divider network's current draw will then ensure a constant output voltage from the regulator -- even if no other load is connected to its output. But what happens if that's not always the case? A worst case example for the regulator in the EFB application is when there is a SS power supply employed (providing instant B+ voltage), coupled with output tubes that have not yet warmed up to conduct any current.

With the scenario just described, there is a period of time then when there is now no current flowing through the regulator, because there is no voltage divider on the OUT terminal to create any draw in this application, and the output tubes have not yet warmed up enough to conduct any current, either. With no current flow, there is therefore no voltage drop produced across the regulator during this time for the internal circuits to operate from. A fly in the ointment of this condition occurs because also during this time, there is a significant voltage applied between the IN and ADJ terminals (thanks to the SS power supply) which in tests I conducted, showed the regulator wasn't particularly fond of -- not outright revolting against mind you (i.e., blowing up), but creating a condition of stress none the less. Specifically, the tests showed that during this time, there was nearly a 6X increase in the voltage appearing between the ADJ and OUT terminals, versus the typical 1.25 vdc that is present during normal operation. This causes a significant increase in the current flowing through the ADJ terminal during this time, that can potentially damage the internal voltage reference within the regulator. If that happens, the regulator will move to a full conduction mode, effectively creating a shorted regulator -- whether it actually is, or not.

To validate my thoughts, I contacted George Ronnenkamp of Audio Regenesis, who took the data I generated, and could not even come close to replicating any of it with any available computer models of the LM337 -- all of which reinforced the very unique way in which the regulator is used in the EFB application (i.e., no known modeling data exists for that configuration). But in physically recreating the conditions, he was able to replicate my findings certainly closely enough to validate them -- but also to suggest that each regulator example likely reacts somewhat differently to the specific conditions of this discussion. George then connected his digital storage scope (I only have analog scopes) to the breadboard mock-up of the EFB circuit he was using, which additionally showed that a rather sharp transient was also taking place at the ADJ terminal at start up, which is on top of the abnormal steady state conditions I had already noted. While by strict definition this is not a smoking gun, the research strongly suggests that it is this 1-2 punch of a strong turn on transient spike followed by a period of steady state abnormal voltage conditions at the ADJ terminal -- all before the output tubes warm up -- coupled with each regulator example's long term ability to deal -- or not -- with these unique conditions, that is the root cause of those few regulators that mysteriously gave up the ghost in SS powered designs. To be clear, the vast majority of regulator examples have readily shown themselves as being capable of handling these events in stride -- but a few have not and so, the quest to determine why -- and then bullet proof the design against those events.

Further study however indicated that there's yet one more stress condition that can be presented to the EFB regulator -- present only in slow warming rectifier tube designs -- that needs to be addressed as well. And this one actually does involve reverse polarity voltages.

STRESS MODE #2

In this 2nd scenario, the output tubes become able to conduct current before any B+ voltage is present because often, slow warm rectifier tubes only begin conducting current well after typical output tubes have become capable to. This then potentially sets up an entirely different stress condition. The source of the reverse polarity voltage is leakage within the power transformer, that can cause the output tube heater winding to become elevated above ground level -- if the winding does not directly reference ground via its own (or a faux created) CT. This is in fact exactly the case in so many designs, where the heater winding is not directly grounded, but returned to a positive source provided within the design to help reduce noise from and stress on the small signal tubes used -- a source only available once the rectifier tube becomes engaged. Until it does however, the heater winding can then float to whatever level the leakage within the power transformer so dictates. When the output tubes initially become active, the heater/cathode interface within them can actually rectify this leakage voltage so that a positive DC potential appears at the cathode terminal of the output tubes (relative to ground) that is then presented to the OUT terminal of the regulator until the rectifier tube becomes active. For the OUT terminal itself, this is not a problem. But with no B+ yet available, the ADJ terminal is referencing ground during this time which is a problem, because the ADJ terminal should always reflect a more positive potential than the OUT terminal does with the 237/337 series of regulators. In fact then, a condition of reverse polarity voltage can be presented to the EFB regulator under the unique conditions described. This event too will be checked to further bulletproof the design.

RESOLVED

I wanted to detail the issues involved to give understanding to their uniquety, the lack of any manufacturer's data to go on, and the amount of time its therefore taken to determine a resolve: I've simply been working with crumbs of information. Thankfully however, the actual resolve to both problems was found to be quite simple, and does involve the installation of four protection diodes -- three of which however are not applied in the usual manner.

Resolving the 2nd stress mode was easily enough, adding a single traditional back diode between the OUT and ADJ terminals, with the Cathode connected to the ADJ terminal as is customary for any such diode strapped to a Negative 3T Adjustable regulator. I recommend using 1N4148 small signal diodes as they tend to have somewhat less voltage drop than larger pieces, and their small size makes their installation easy enough to perform. Really however, any small signal diode will do the job, as the current and voltages involved are quite small.

Resolving the 1st stress mode however requires the diodes to be installed rather differently, because here the problem is not one of reverse polarity, but of an over-voltage condition. The normal operating voltage between the ADJ and OUT terminals is ~ 1.20-1.25 vdc, with the exact value being dependent on the manufacturing tolerances of the particular regulator piece used. If two small signal diodes were connected in series and then strapped across the ADJ and OUT terminals -- opposite in polarity to the reverse polarity diode, then some regulators might work, but many might not because the voltage drop across the two diodes is virtually the same as the normal voltage drop produced by the regulator itself. The use of just two diodes in series then could interfere with normal regulator operation.

To guard against that from happening, a string of three diodes is used, all connected in series, connected across the two regulator terminals as described. Now the diodes prevent the over-voltage condition from reaching beyond about 1.80 vdc (total), but are completely disengaged during normal operation, since the normal drop of the three diodes well exceeds the normal operating voltage produced by any example of these regulators between these two terminals.

The use of these four diodes then has completely resolved both issues described, and I heartily recommend their installation to ensure trouble free operation of the circuit regardless of what type of power supply an amplifier uses -- or example of regulator piece chosen. I have provided some pics showing the construction of the diode array, and its installation in my modified 9300 Magnavox amplifier. Also included are the traces that George captured showing how the diodes completely eliminate the issues detailed in the 1st stress mode.

Time will of course tell, but I have every confidence that the diode array will resolve the mystery failures once and for all.

Dave

The diode array constructed, before the heat shrink is applied:
SAM_3272.JPG

Installed in the Magnavox test amplifier. By pulling the output tubes, I could test the conditions outlined in stress mode #1, and by leaving them installed but pulling the rectifier tube, I could test the conditions outlined in stress mode #2.
SAM_3273.JPG

In each scope shot, the upper trace is the ADJ terminal, while the lower trace is the OUT terminal display -- but these are not separately generated displays: They are both generated together in real time with the amplitude of each display properly relevant to each other when generated. It can readily been seen then how the 3 diode string completely eliminates the sharp transient at turn-on, greatly minimizes the difference potential between the ADJ and OUT terminals, and creates plenty of voltage drop across the regulator for the internal circuits to operate properly -- during the period where there is no output tube current draw to produce normal regulator operation. When the tubes begin conducting current, the diodes disengage so that they effectively disappear in the circuit.

EFB Diodes.jpg

Again, I want to thank George Ronnenkamp for his time and effort in validating my original findings, his expert analysis, and permission to use the displays he generated and captured for this work.
 
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Outstanding failure analysis, Dave!

(1) If lower Vf is required, would SiC or Ge be a better choice? The SiC is 0.2 V, lower than the silicon and comparable to Ge. I don't know about the reliability of Ge with transients, but SiC is certainly both quite hardy and very inexpensive.

(2) Would moving to one of the modern LDO regulators be beneficial? Such regulators are far more robust in the face of transient spikes, and have excellent noise rejection. Even the fanciest are now ≈ $10 to $12. The LM337 is now over 40 years old.

(3) What about the benefit of adding a series MOSFET as a switch which disconnects the power if the bias vanishes or moves outside an established range? That would provide protection against catastrophic failure.

Edit: Split up into separate questions, clarified wording.
 
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Dave- I think I know the answer to this question- but, just in case:

Is there any way that any of these stress modes could occur, in the MOSFET bias regulator used in the Fisher 55A mod?

I wouldn't think that these modes could exist, since there is no internal voltage reference inside the transistor, in this case. Is that correct?

(BTW: THIS is the kind of attention to detail, in the service of making things trouble-free for others, that makes me even more happy about Dave's choice as AK Member of the Year for 2020. He continues to prove that the award was definitely deserved, IMHO.)

Regards,
Gordon.
 
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Thanks for the post and continuing to work on ways to make this more reliable. I did lose an LM337 in a solid state rectified amp, but honestly I thought I had shorted something accidentally. Wonder if maybe I happened on this particular failure mode without realizing it. Either way it looks like my two LM337 amps are getting some extra diodes installed.
 
Can someone point to original EFB for cathode biased design post? I somehow missed it. I'd like to read that.
 
Can someone point to original EFB for cathode biased design post? I somehow missed it. I'd like to read that.

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Too many discussion to link to the entirety.
 
Thanks to everyone for their positive comments and kind words!

Retro --

1. SiC diodes would in fact allow for an even less over-voltage condition -- with the best configuration likely being the use of one conventional Si diode in series with two SiC diodes -- clamping the over voltage at a total of ~ 1.40 vdc -- just 0.15 volt over the normal operating voltage of the regulator. Folks can feel free to use Retro's excellent suggest if they so wish.
2. Being primarily a vacuum tube guy, I've never worked with any of the LDO regulators, but from your description, they sound ideal from a durability standpoint. Were I starting development on EFB today, no doubt that would be the way to go. For the 40 year period though, the LM3xx series of regulators surely has a formidable track record, which the resolves presented should allow the EFB application to take full advantage of. Again, thanks for the suggestion, and is something I will no doubt play with in the near future.
3. Another great suggestion. In the original development of EFB, I was very much trying to emulate Dynaco's successful approach of achieving high performance from the simplest of designs. History shows that it was not only a winning approach to use, but the winning approach to use in getting folks to try (in 1955) an unknown name and product. It was felt that keeping EFB as simple as possible would also help spread awareness of it to the same end. A decade later, suggestions like this would now not seem to add the complication that might have been perceived when it was launched. Again, thanks for the suggestion.

Gordon -- Your assumption is correct. The bias regulator in the 50 series of Fisher amplifiers is not so much designed to regulate bias voltage, but to sink bias current applied to it from the output tube grids when they are driven positive. The presence of bias current (or not) of course (can) happen at will with program material depending on the power output level the amplifier is producing (these amplifiers shift from Class AB1 to Class AB2 at about 20 watts of power output). The regulator is always sinking a quiescent amount of current that the tubes build on when Class AB2 commences. As such, there are no stress modes with the MOSFET modification.

Gadget -- You may very well have stumbled upon the Stress Mode #1 failure mode. Whether that was it, or it was self induced however, I do appreciate you offering the additional information, which only seeks to further enhance my conclusions.

Thanks for everyone's comments!

Dave
 
Something else just occurred to me.

As a disclaimer I specifically state that this is highly speculative and not fully worked out. Hunches and guesswork which may be incorrect.

A possibility occurs to me after the context of my responding to a recent thread about replacing tantalum capacitors with film, and explaining how some circuits, particularly voltage regulators from the 1970s and 1980s, were designed to use the inherently high ESR of the tantalum — typically about 1 to 3 Ω — to damp oscillations in the regulator. Many of the older regulators become wildly unstable and oscillate when low ESR capacitors are used. This is particularly problematic with the ceramic variety, as their ESR is far too low; about 0.005 Ω (5 milliΩ), compared to 1 to 3 Ω for tantalum, about 200 times smaller, causing the compensation filter to be at the incorrect frequency. As a bonus, ceramic capacitance decreases with temperature, which may similarly cause instability situations when cold.

Regulators from circa 2000 onward are generally designed to be stable with the newer ceramic capacitors (primarily MLCC). The older circuits using tantalums can generally (always best, of course, to research the device) be upgraded by adding a resistor, typically 1 to 3 Ω, in series with the output capacitor to mimic the ESR of the now-missing tantalum capacitor. The chipamps have similar issues which are well discussed.

So the TL/DR here is that many of the older three-terminal regulators were specifically designed for tantalum capacitors and will oscillate with low-ESR capacitors, particularly ceramics and aluminum electrolytics.

Could it be possible — and this is admittedly highly speculative — that the circuit's losses or capacitance might somehow be a factor, that:
(a) the losses in the circuit are insufficient to damp HF oscillation in the MHz range
(b) such oscillation can arise under unknown circumstances, possibly idiosyncratic to particular amplifiers
(c) said oscillation destroys the regulator under specific circumstances​

The fix would seem to be adding a small amount of capacitance few Ω of impedance to the output to fix the filter or building a filter operating above the AM band. I expect that TI could deliver a definitive answer.

Again, a fair bit of guesswork and highly speculative.
 
I did have a case where my Magnavox (with the 5AR4) had a "pumping" problem with a specific set of tubes installed. It seemed to be the cathode voltage wagging and causing the noise. Swapping tubes made it stop so I didn't consider it any further. Wonder if possibly I was actually seeing some artifact of that regulator oscillation thing @Retrovert is talking about here.

sort of wonder if I can reconstruct that condition so I can test if adding an ohm or so in series with the cap would stop it.

'course its also possible that somewhere in the past several decades the LM337 has been tweaked to make this a non-issue. I don't know which specific one I have installed to refer to the datasheet.
 
I did have a case where my Magnavox (with the 5AR4) had a "pumping" problem with a specific set of tubes installed. It seemed to be the cathode voltage wagging and causing the noise. Swapping tubes made it stop so I didn't consider it any further. Wonder if possibly I was actually seeing some artifact of that regulator oscillation thing @Retrovert is talking about here.

Seems very possible.

The tubes may present a slightly more or less lossy load, better or less able to damp the oscillation.

'course its also possible that somewhere in the past several decades the LM337 has been tweaked to make this a non-issue. I don't know which specific one I have installed to refer to the datasheet.

The datasheets from TI (nee National) and ON Semi still specify tantalum "for stability". I checked that to verify. I found some TI blog entries which discuss the same cure I mentioned, namely adding additional resistance to the lower-ESR capacitor.
 
Seems very possible.

The tubes may present a slightly more or less lossy load, better or less able to damp the oscillation.



The datasheets from TI (nee National) and ON Semi still specify tantalum "for stability". I checked that to verify. I found some TI blog entries which discuss the same cure I mentioned, namely adding additional resistance to the lower-ESR capacitor.

when I get home I'll see exactly what LM337 and what cap I have installed. Maybe I'll see if I can figure out what set of parts I had installed to force the instability and see if adding some resistance stops it. I know I have some 1 ohm resistors. I sort of want to re-do the EFB install in that amp anyway. Its kind of messy, and the way I did it would make adding the diodes inconvenient. Maybe this is a good excuse to fix that.
 
With a slow warmup rectifier tube, do I only need to worry about stress #2 and install the one back diode between the OUT and ADJ terminals? And then use the suggested tantalum cap to just avoid this other possibility? If so, does anyone have a suggested part # for this cap to avoid that issue. I'd like to avoid cluttering up the amp with extra parts if possible on an amp I have in the planning stages to use EFB.
 
I am reasonably convinced this is a ringing/oscillation issue.

The related issue, which I have not below quoted, is the accuracy of the voltage divider, which also is addressed by the paper.

Yes, I realize this is not specifically for the LM317/LM337 regulators, but the explanation of issues would be similar.

See (figures in original are not here included, emphasis added):

Technical Review of Low Dropout Voltage Regulator Operation and Performance
Application Report SLVA072
Texas Instruments
(1999, August)

Section 9: Range of Stable ESR (Tunnel of Death)
Page 18

An LDO regulator would require an output capacitor with an output equivalent series resistor (ESR) to stabilize the control loop. An LDO has two poles that can cause oscillations as shown in Figure 21 if it is not compensated. It is obvious that the linear regulator is unstable because the phase shift at unity gain frequency (UGF) is –180° due to the effects of two poles (Po, Pa) at low frequencies. To make the regulator stable, a zero must be added, which will cancel out the phase effect of one of two poles.

The equivalent series resistance of the output capacitor (ESR) or a compensated series resistor (CSR) is used for the zero. Figure 22 shows how the ESR (or CSR) zero stabilizes the control loop. The zero produced by the ESR locates before the UGF so that the phase shift at UGF1 will be around –90° (i.e., two poles –zero = -180°+90° = -90°). Thus, the linear regulator becomes stable. The phase shift of the control loop at UGF should always be less than –180° for system stability.

Figure 23 illustrates the unstable frequency response of an LDO when too high an ESR is added, and Figure 24 illustrates the LDO frequency response when too low an ESR is used. For both cases, the total phase shift at unity gain frequency is –180°, resulting in system instability. The broken line in Figures 23 and 24 shows the stable range of Zesr.

Since ESR can cause instability, LDO manufacturers typically provide a graph showing the stable range of ESR values. Figure 25 shows a typical range of ESR values with respect to the output currents. This curve is called tunnel of death. The curve shows that the ESR must be between 0.2 Ω and 9 Ω. Solid tantalum electrolytic, aluminum electrolytic, and multilayer ceramic capacitors are all suitable, provided they meet the ESR requirements.
 
definitely worth looking into then. I'm certain I paid no real attention to the cap used, it was whatever I had in my bin of caps of suitable value and voltage.
 
The only thing I can offer to the conversation is that:

1. Without the traditional cathode bypass cap in place, the regulator will definitely become unstable. Whether it manifests itself as oscillation (which it must be), I don't know -- I just remember that early on, with no cap in place, the regulator would not function properly. When the cap was connected, the regulator instantly straightened up.

2. If it were an oscillation related event, I would think there would have been a more uniform failure rate between SS rectifier and Slow Warming Vacuum Tube power supply installations. Yes, the turn on event with SS power supplies can be a transient in and of itself that could potentially shock an oscillation prone regulator into instability, but many owners use CL devices to minimize such transients, and music itself is very transient in nature so again, I would think there would be a more even distribution of failures -- and frankly -- far more failures if it is failing due to oscillation -- or at the very least, various issues/claims of poor amplifier performance. To my knowledge, there have never been any -- only the rare comment that a regulator shorted, and that the bias then could not be adjusted. The time element then is already coming into play.

I'll certainly admit to being ill-schooled in the realm of keeping SS devices stable (other than the well established normal and ordinary measures), but I'm not sure I was aware that oscillation could even destroy a 3T regulator. I'm admittedly running only on common sense, but I know when I've serviced previously hardwired EFB installations in small Dynaco Amplifiers where the regulator was failing to perform properly, it was invariably because whomever did the installation had failed to replace the original can cap, and the cathode bypass section had subsequently (finally) failed (effectively open). In no case was the regulator ever damaged -- it just ceased to function properly, and returned to doing so immediately once the cap was replaced with a good one.

Please do not think I'm in any way dismissing the possibility of instability -- anything is possible. But I'll let time, and others more equipped on this topic tell the tale of these possibilities. I do know however that the issues presented are proven to be beyond the "what if" realm, and solidly into the arena of facts that are known to be happening. If oscillation is found, then resolving it can only make the concept even more bullet proof.

Dave
 
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